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Jag avser som sagt airbrushning nu.

Länken jag gett: http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Där finns en video
Evidence Of NASA Airbrushing
Out Moon Anomalies

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Det airbrush exempel som finns på den sida finnar jag inte ett dugg trovärdiga.

Vaför skulle några foton ha utsuddade saker men andra inte har det?

Ta och förklara på ett trovärdigt sätt skillnaderna mellan airbrush fotona.

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Varför och varför... vad finns det i filmens foto bakom airbrushningen? Fråga Nasa. Har du exempel på foton som borde airbrushats?

Jag har det. Se tex filmen Project Redstar - eller har du sett den?

Vad är det för skillnader mellan olika airbrushade foton som du behöver förklaring på? Du kan ju se att en skillnad är att två foton är foton som är tagna på lite olika positioner - där har ett exempel på en skillnad mellan olika airbrushade foton.

Sug på dom här Zink, det är dags för "styrda frågor" sådana som Zink aldrig besvarar.


1) Sceptics argue that the lack of stars on Moon photographs is acceptable, despite zero atmosphere to obscure the view. Yuri Gagarin, pronounced the stars to be "astonishingly brilliant". See the official NASA pictures above that I have reproduced that show 'stars' in the sky, as viewed from the lunar surface. And why exactly do you think there are hardly any stars visible on Apollo films taken from the Moon? The answers simple - Professional astronomers would quickly calculate that the configuration and distances of star formations were incorrect and so NASA had to remove them to make sure they could keep up the scam.

2) The pure oxygen atmosphere in the module would have melted the Hasselblad's camera covering and produced poisonous gases. Why weren't the astronauts affected?

3) There should have been a substantial crater blasted out under the LM's 10,000 pound thrust rocket. Sceptics would have you believe that the engines only had the power to blow the dust from underneath the LM as it landed. If this is true, how did Armstrong create that famous boot print if all the dust had been blown away?

4) Sceptics claim that you cannot produce a flame in a vacuum because of the lack of oxygen. So how come I have footage on this page showing a flame coming from the exhaust of an Apollo lander? (Obviously the sceptics are wrong or the footage shows the lander working in an atmosphere)

5) Footprints are the result of weight displacing air or moisture from between particles of dirt, dust, or sand. The astronauts left distinct footprints all over the place.

6) The Apollo 11 TV pictures were lousy, yet the broadcast quality magically became fine on the five subsequent missions.

7) Why in most Apollo photos, is there a clear line of definition between the rough foreground and the smooth background?

8) Why did so many NASA Moonscape photos have non parallel shadows? sceptics will tell you because there is two sources of light on the Moon - the Sun and the Earth... That maybe the case, but the shadows would still fall in the same direction, not two or three different angles and Earth shine would have no effect during the bright lunar day (the time at which the Apollo was on the Moon).

9) Why did one of the stage prop rocks have a capital "C" on it and a 'C' on the ground in front of it?

10) How did the fibreglass whip antenna on the Gemini 6A capsule survive the tremendous heat of atmospheric re-entry?

11) In Ron Howard's 1995 science fiction movie, Apollo 13, the astronauts lose electrical power and begin worrying about freezing to death. In reality, of course, the relentless bombardment of the Sun's rays would rapidly have overheated the vehicle to lethal temperatures with no atmosphere into which to dump the heat build up.

12) Who would dare risk using the LM on the Moon when a simulated Moon landing was never tested?

13) Instead of being able to jump at least ten feet high in "one sixth" gravity, the highest jump was about nineteen inches.

14) Even though slow motion photography was able to give a fairly convincing appearance of very low gravity, it could not disguise the fact that the astronauts travelled no further between steps than they would have on Earth.

15) If the Rover buggy had actually been moving in one-sixth gravity, then it would have required a twenty foot width in order not to have flipped over on nearly every turn. The Rover had the same width as ordinary small cars.

16) An astrophysicist who has worked for NASA writes that it takes two meters of shielding to protect against medium solar flares and that heavy ones give out tens of thousands of rem in a few hours. Russian scientists calculated in 1959 that astronauts needed a shield of 4 feet of lead to protect them on the Moons surface. Why didn't the astronauts on Apollo 14 and 16 die after exposure to this immense amount of radiation? And why are NASA only starting a project now to test the lunar radiation levels and what their effects would be on the human body if they have sent 12 men there already?

17) The fabric space suits had a crotch to shoulder zipper. There should have been fast leakage of air since even a pinhole deflates a tyre in short order.

18) The astronauts in these "pressurized" suits were easily able to bend their fingers, wrists, elbows, and knees at 5.2 p.s.i. and yet a boxer's 4 p.s.i. speed bag is virtually unbendable. The guys would have looked like balloon men if the suits had actually been pressurized.

19) How did the astronauts leave the LEM? In the documentary 'Paper Moon' The host measures a replica of the LEM at The Space Centre in Houston, what he finds is that the 'official' measurements released by NASA are bogus and that the astronauts could not have got out of the LEM.

20) The water sourced air conditioner backpacks should have produced frequent explosive vapour discharges. They never did.

21) During the Apollo 14 flag setup ceremony, the flag would not stop fluttering.

22) With more than a two second signal transmission round trip, how did a camera pan upward to track the departure of the Apollo 16 LEM? Gus Grissom, before he got burned alive in the Apollo I disaster A few minutes before he was burned to death in the Apollo I tragedy, Gus Grissom said, 'Hey, you guys in the control center, get with it. You expect me to go to the moon and you can't even maintain telephonic communications over three miles.' This statement says a lot about what Grissom thought about NASA's progress in the great space race.

23) Why did NASA's administrator resign just days before the first Apollo mission?

24) NASA launched the TETR-A satellite just months before the first lunar mission. The proclaimed purpose was to simulate transmissions coming from the moon so that the Houston ground crews (all those employees sitting behind computer screens at Mission Control) could "rehearse" the first moon landing. In other words, though NASA claimed that the satellite crashed shortly before the first lunar mission (a misinformation lie), its real purpose was to relay voice, fuel consumption, altitude, and telemetry data as if the transmissions were coming from an Apollo spacecraft as it neared the moon. Very few NASA employees knew the truth because they believed that the computer and television data they were receiving was the genuine article. Merely a hundred or so knew what was really going on; not tens of thousands as it might first appear.

25) In 1998, the Space Shuttle flew to one of its highest altitudes ever, three hundred and fifty miles, hundreds of miles below merely the beginning of the Van Allen Radiation Belts. Inside of their shielding, superior to that which the Apollo astronauts possessed, the shuttle astronauts reported being able to "see" the radiation with their eyes closed penetrating their shielding as well as the retinas of their closed eyes. For a dental x-ray on Earth which lasts 1/100th of a second we wear a 1/4 inch lead vest. Imagine what it would be like to endure several hours of radiation that you can see with your eyes closed from hundreds of miles away with 1/8 of an inch of aluminium shielding!

26) The Apollo 1 fire of January 27, 1967, killed what would have been the first crew to walk on the Moon just days after the commander, Gus Grissom, held an unapproved press conference complaining that they were at least ten years, not two, from reaching the Moon. The dead man's own son, who is a seasoned pilot himself, has in his possession forensic evidence personally retrieved from the charred spacecraft (that the government has tried to destroy on two or more occasions). Gus Grissom was obviously trying to make a big statement as he placed a lemon in the window of the Apollo I spacecraft as it sat ready for launch!

27) CNN issued the following report, "The radiation belts surrounding Earth may be more dangerous for astronauts than previously believed (like when they supposedly went through them thirty years ago to reach the Moon.) The phenomenon known as the 'Van Allen Belts' can spawn (newly discovered) 'Killer Electrons' that can dramatically affect the astronauts' health."

28) In 1969 computer chips had not been invented. The maximum computer memory was 256k, and this was housed in a large air conditioned building. In 2002 a top of the range computer requires at least 64 Mb of memory to run a simulated Moon landing, and that does not include the memory required to take off again once landed. The alleged computer on board Apollo 11 had 32k of memory. That's the equivalent of a simple calculator.

29) If debris from the Apollo missions was left on the Moon, then it would be visible today through a powerful telescope, however no such debris can be seen. The Clementine probe that recently mapped the Moons surface failed to show any Apollo artefacts left by Man during the missions. Where did the Moon Buggy and base of the LM go?

30) In the year 2005 NASA does not have the technology to land any man, or woman on the Moon, and return them safely to Earth.

31) Film evidence has recently been uncovered of a mis-labelled, unedited, behind-the-scenes video film, showing the crew of Apollo 11 staging part of their photography. The film evidence is shown in the video "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon!". and appears above in the 'Why Did Apollo 11 Astronauts Lie About Being In Deep Space?' section.

32) Why did the blueprints and plans for the Lunar Module and Moon Buggy get destroyed if this was one of History's greatest accomplishments?

33) Why did NASA need to airbrush out anomalies from lunar footage of the Moon if they have nothing to hide?

Här i länken står det om Billy Meier/Semjase, det stod ju om Semjase tidigare i denna tråd.
Did Meier Know About Jupiter's Rings First?

http://www.rense.com/general35/jup.htm

och en del annat...

...the 215th Contact, February 28, 1987. Formerly available only in German, this contact, Known as the Enoch Prophecies, was recently translated into English and it contains, among many items, advance warning of destruction of the WTC by terrorists, ominously stating that it is only the beginning of such troubles for America. [...]

The universe, and everything in it, is governed by unalterable laws, basic among them is the law of cause and effect. While this contact details events on a worldwide level that appear to transpire over a number of years, there is specific mention of the destructive repercussions of American foreign and military policies that will not only "stun the entire world" (as is alluded to in the later 251st Contact) but come back upon the USA in unforeseen, and enormously devastating, ways.

What Does It Mean to Us?

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Samliga frågor i lista är redan besvarade så jag undrar varför du inte hittat svaren på dem redan.

Mest sannolikt är att du inte finner förklaringarna trovärdiga och detta kan varken jag eller andra som svarat på frågorna göra något åt.

Det finns INGET konstigt med månlandningar utan alla konstigheter om månlandningarna är baserade på feltolkningar, missuppfattningar och förfalskningar av månlandningsmaterialet som finns.

Sedan läser du helt uppenbart inte vad jag skriver. "C" på stenen är satt dit i efterhand för att visa att fotot är en kopia av originalet.

Om alla beställningar från NASA ses som kopior kan du ju ta reda på. Allt material är tillgängligt till självkostnadspris eller finns att ladda ned på NASA hemsidor.

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Detta kan ifrågasättas. Kolla här vad en som undersökt detta har kommit fram till:

http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/horn/ike42report.htm

Proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt
By Michael Horn

115th Contact, October 19, 1978: Meier describes existence of Jupiter’s rings, says composed mainly of dust, particles, sulfur ions flung off by volcanoes on Io, describes Io as most volcanically active body in solar system, smooth, level-surfaced, no water; describes Europa as ice-encrusted; Jupiter said to have 17 actual moons (Plejaren don’t consider all of Jupiter’s satellites meet their standards of moons); describes nature of Jupiter’s huge funnelshaped storm

Corroborated: March 5, 1979, NASA’s Voyager 1 probe discovers rings of Jupiter, Io most volcanically active body in solar system, Europa covered in ice…5 months after Meier published information5 months after Meier published information

Corroborated: September 15, 1998, Cornell University scientists confirm particulate composition of rings from Jupiter’s moons (first theorized by astronomers August 2, 1995) Meier’s information is 20 years ahead of Cornell’s (While scientists believe that primary source of particulate matter is explosions caused by meteorite strikes on moons’ surfaces, Meier’s information seems more accurate, i.e. matter being explosively propelled from volcanoes at speeds up to 2,300 km/hr to heights of 180 kms more likely true source of most particulate forming rings)

Corroborated: April 2003, Dr. Joseph Veverka, Chairman Astronomy Department, CornellUniversity, regarding my informing him of Meier’s information that Io is most volcanically
active body in solar system, “If he said that about Io, 3 to 6 months before, then all I can sayis that he’s right.”

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Proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt
By Michael Horn

svårläst...

In the following article I will first give the numbers and dates of specific contacts between
Billy Meier and the Plejaren and then an overview of the information contained in each
contact. The items titled “Corroborated” show the dates and sources of the earliest
corroboration of Meier’s information found by the researchers. It should be noted that Genesis
III published much of the material in volumes 1 – 4 of MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES
with the earliest copyright being 1979, the date by which almost all of the information was in
the possession of the investigative team. While I present only a brief overview of the
information in the specific contacts, I hope that each contact will be published in its entirety in
the near future. Except where attributed to Meier, the Plejaren were the source of the
information.
When reading and evaluating the information you should ask yourself when you knew, or first
heard about, each piece of information. Was it before or after Meier had published it? Had
you heard about it when it was “officially” discovered or occurred? Are you just learning
about some of these things now, for the first time? It must be remembered that, Meier not only
published the diverse information below long before any other source, most of it was
published well before home computers and the internet were available to Meier for research.
Looking at the information below, which is only a sampling of what is contained in the Meier
material, one sees a substantial body of evidence of impeccable credibility, sufficient to meet
legal and/or scientific standards of proof well beyond a reasonable doubt. Since anyone can
duplicate the results of the searches I performed that corroborated Meier’s prophetically
accurate information, the scientific method applies here. Indeed, it can be said that this is an
even higher standard of proof than the physical evidence, which is still attacked by skeptics
and debunkers despite their proven inability to reproduce any of it. (See: Professional
Skeptics Group Proves UFOs Real!) One can only have compassion for their dilemma,
trapped as they are between denying reality and having to acknowledge some “paranormal”
evidence that contradicts their deepest religious “beliefs”.
Absence of Erroneous Prophetic Information
If, as some people might think, Meier somehow guessed or fabricated all of this specific,
prophetically accurate information, it would be logical to assume that there would have to be
an even more enormous body of randomly generated erroneous information such as would be
produced by the proverbial 10,000 monkeys banging away on typewriters on their way to,
presumably, eventually type out a play of Shakespeare’s. Unfortunately for the skeptics, there
simply is no such voluminous body of inaccurate work. And it’s easy to prove this since most
of the information validated so far has been culled from a couple of thousand pages of the
earliest English translations of the Contact Reports published by Meier primarily between
1975 and 1979, with additional information excerpted from contacts in the 1980s and 1990s.
In all cases, nothing has been added or subtracted from the original texts as those who already
have possessed them for many years can affirm. And, for those who don’t own the texts
themselves, there are sufficient copies in circulation that it can be easily proven. Let me also
add that there are still thousands of pages of un-translated German texts and some unofficial

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Jag skulle nog har skrivit att jag läst igenom artikeln.

Däremot såg du att den jag länkade till som undersökt detta inte hitta något källmaterial som var äldre än från 1982?

Billy Meier som sägs så bakom uppgifterna verkar inte vara så noga med sanningen om man ska tro på kritiken mot honom i Wikipedias artikel om honom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Meier

Man har tydligen hitta flera av hans påstådda foton om UFO i andra artiklar och böcker och dessutom påstår hans före detta fru att hon sett honom fejka foton.

Titta bara på dessa foton på tjejen som ursprungligen kommer från en Dean Martin show:

http://x10.putfile.com/12/34609263024.jpg

Och att Billy Meier säger om samma tjej att hon är Asket som är en utomjording.

Självklart satsas det som vanligt att misskreditera det som utmanar consensusfjutt. Inget konstigt att det finns mååånga sajter som sysslar med det, eller att det skulle vara det som skrivs på wikipedia - hur skulle det kunna vara på annat sätt, när religionen science styr?

Jag kommer väl ihåg detta foto, det kom i svensk media, stort uppslaget... det sades då felaktigt att det var Semjase (den ljusa), och inte Asket.

Det har ända sedan början varit heavy controll och inblandning från olika organ, från olika makter, mordförsök mot honom mm.

Hans tidigare grekiska hustru, varför säger hon som hon gör... forska i det!

Betänk på vilken tid detta var. Modellerna har inget med fotona att göra, lägg ned det med en gång. Skulle man slängt upp en av de klumpiga modellerna och tagit foton på det så hade man skrattat sig fördärvad.

Han var då enarmad, det fanns inga sätt att skapa sådana fusk på foto då. Varför skulle han förresten ljuga?

Redan när han var i Indien, innan olycka, tror jag, så skrevs det om dessa UFO:s som var "omkring" honom, och foton togs av journalister, har jag för mig. Men artiklarna som då publicerades indisk media kan säkert fortfarande hittas, och de visar då UFO:n på himlen.

Har du sett föredraget som en kvinna höll i USA - hon var då inom sitt lands FN-representation. Hon talade då om vad hon upplevt där i Indien,på det ashram därBilly var. Hon var då en ung flicka, det var hennes far som "ledde" ashramet. Jag kommer inte ihåg vilket land han kom från, från början, kanske Burma eller något.

Varför skulle hon ljuga. Varför skulle människor ljuga så?

Hon hade allt att förlora på att framträda, hon var landet högste FN-rep, tror jag.

Hon gjorde det för att hon var äkta.

Är sådana som Randi och co. något man vill ta i med tång...

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Detta har jag svårt att riktigt hänga med på. Du menar alltså att någon har en sanning och sedan att folk saboterar denna sanning?

Jag ser det som att när folk undersöker denna sanning så hittar man inte den utan upptäcker saker som talar emot denna sanning.

Hur ofta anser du att folk går emot riktiga sanningar och saboterar dem? Ska inte riktiga sanningar tåla oberoende undersökningar?

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Angående det första du skriver, så naturligtvis är det något vi står i hela tiden...

Det tredje. Det gör alla hela tiden. Sanning är inget som evil kan/ska undersöka.

Jag har postat om detta förr, där finns också Indienfoto, mm:

http://vaken.se/modules/newbb/viewtop ... t_id=48309#forumpost48309

http://vaken.se/modules/newbb/viewtop ... t_id=46522#forumpost46522

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Du menar att vad som är sant eller inte avgör bara vissa personer?

Är inte de bara ett sätt att plockat bort motsägelser som alltid finns när man undersöker vad som kan vara troligt eller sant genom att välja vilka personer som får undersöka sanningen?

Men vadå Zink, du tycker väll att bara folk som är "vetenskapsmänn" eller "fysiker" osv har något att komma med?

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Du missförstod mig. Jag menar att alla ska vara med och ta fram vad som kan var trovärdigt och sannolikt. Detta ska man inte utesluta någon grupp ifrån.

Om någon på vägen anser att de har alla bevis och kommit fram till sanningen ska man kunna kritisera detta utan att de faller ihop vilket det tyvärr ofta gör på detta forum då kritisk frågor besvaras med personliga påhopp istället för sakliga argument.

Om man ska bedöma t.ex. hur WTC 1, 2 och 7 rasade har byggingenjörer större förutsättningar att göra det riktigt än filosofer och teologer. Det senare medtaget för Scholars for 911 truth innehåller ovanligt många som inte kan ha mer kunskaper än mannen på gatan då de just är filosofer och teologer.

Visst, jag håller med dig till 100%, men väldigt mycket av många "konspirationer" 911 i aldra högsta grad, är att det varken går att bevisa det, ena hållet eller andra. Mycket handlar om spekulationer och teorier. Tex som telefonerna som ringde, eller hurvidare byggnaderna rasade pga vad osv..
Man kan bara säga "det var lufft puffar som kom ut pga trycker" eller "det var bomber", det kommer komma teorier, men att bevisa det hela kommer vara så gott som omöjligt. Hade det funnits bevis för sådana saker hade det ju inte funnits någon konspiration.

Det är tråkigt när det blir sådant med påhopp och så, men det är även mycket lätt att det blir så i heta diskutioner..

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Men så finns det saker som faller på sin orimlighet, faktum är att jag kunde inte smälta syrrans plåtutegrill med 1,5 mm godstjocklek oavsett hur mycket fotogen jag än hälde på, t.o.m syrran som är oteknisk sa att det var det dummaste hon hört.

Jo men visst, säg det till en skepticker, du kan lika gärna säga det till en vägg..

Just i 911 fallet vet jag inte hur mycket bevis som krävs, har man bestämt sig har man, och då kan stål smälta av saker det egentligen inte kan.

Du vet dom där usama konspiratörerna är helt galna.

När det gäller smält stål så finns det inga bevis på det fanns på WTC platsen bara smält metall.

Sedan var det enligt NIST och inte smält stål utan upphettat som fick tornen att rasa.

Har ni tänk på att på att pelarna WTC inte var hopsvetsade utan nitade enligt de videor som finns från bygget. Därför kunde planen slå av fler av dem och försvaga WTC 1 och 2 så att elden räckte till att fullborda kollapsen.

hittade man inte jävligt mycket smällt stål under själva "skrotet" när man illa kvickt fraktade iväg det?

Det är dina älsklingar, de "seriösa vetenskapsmännen", zink som ligger bakom bl.a den lavinartatde ökningen av autism tack vare deras "säkra" vacciner, den globala våldtäkten av mänskligheten genom deras banksystem och alla miljöhot som dina älsklingar, vetenskapsmännens skapade kemikalier, mediciner och andra produkter som idag förgiftar både människan och naturen.

Dina älsklingar, de etablerade vetenskapsmännen är precis som du bara betalda lögnare och psykopater som gör allt för att kunna sitta kvar på sina välbetalda poster, underlydande den satansikt styrda eliten.

Dessa av dig hyllade de "seriösa vetenskapsmännnen" och deras galna uppfinningar är ju de som är huvudorsaken till all den misär och destruktion mänskligheten idag står inför!