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The Moon What Is It And Who Made It?
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http://rense.com/general69/moonwho.htm

Det har jag undrat över också

Posted on: 2006/4/14 9:01
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Re: The Moon What Is It And Who Made It?
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Jag har ju under en mängd år studerat den sk. "teosofiska läran" - som är ett på sätt och vis en sammanställning av en massa gammal kunskap ang. forntidens läror - och där minns jag att det påstås - helt klart att månen för klänge sedan faktiskt uppkom utifrån något som hände på jorden - - det gick väl hål på jordskorpan och en massa plasma floppade ut och bildade denna lilla himlakropp - jg har läst att den är mycket konstig - denna himlakropp - när man mäter och larvar sig där så blir resultaten inte som man tänkt sig - Skum liten figur - men den har ju antagligen sin roll i det hela på något sätt - men vad vet jag inte - men jag tycker faktiskt att det är kul att den faktum är lika stor som solen - när man kollar från jorden - Ser lika stor ut alltså - ock när det är solförmörkelse - den passar ju precis - - så någon jävla mening med denna grejj är det väl... Hö, hö...

samt: plus: (Grymling)

Posted on: 2006/4/14 12:17
"Många kommer att tro sig falla" - Många kommer att tvingas resa sig"

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Skywatcher skrev:
http://rense.com/general69/moonwho.htm

Det har jag undrat över också

På sidan står det
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However, Moon rocks brought back by Apollo were dated at 5.3 billion years old

Du kan väl inte tro på den artikeln då du hävdar att man aldrig varit på månen?

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zpz skrev:
Du kan väl inte tro på den artikeln då du hävdar att man aldrig varit på månen?


Så att robotar klarar inte av det menar du?

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eFeKTO skrev:
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zpz skrev:
Du kan väl inte tro på den artikeln då du hävdar att man aldrig varit på månen?


Så att robotar klarar inte av det menar du?

Så du menar att Apollo-expeditionerna åkte till månen men bara skickade ner robotar och inte några människor till månytan?

"In 2005, a team of scientists from Germany, the United Kingdom, and Switzerland measured the Moon's age at 4.527 ± 0.010 billion years, which would imply that it was formed only 30–50 million years after the origin of the solar system."
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/310/5754/1671

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#Origin_and_history

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Recently, the giant impact hypothesis has been considered a more viable scientific theory for the moon's origin than the coformation or condensation theory. The Giant Impact theory holds that the Moon formed from the ejecta resulting from a collision between a very early, semi-molten Earth and a planet-like object the size of Mars, which has been referred to as Theia or Orpheus. The material ejected from this impact would have gathered in orbit around Earth and formed the Moon. This hypothesis is bolstered by two main observations: First, the composition of the Moon resembles that of Earth's crust, whereas it has relatively few heavy elements that would have been present if it formed by itself out of the same material from which Earth formed. Second, through radiometric dating, it has been determined that the Moon's crust formed between 20 and 30 million years after that of Earth, despite its smallness and associated larger loss of internal heat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis

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Re: The Moon What Is It And Who Made It?
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Hur vet man att stenarna verkligen kom från månen?

Posted on: 2006/4/14 13:28
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UNGEFÄR! - Hö, hö... "Impact"...

Posted on: 2006/4/14 13:29
"Många kommer att tro sig falla" - Många kommer att tvingas resa sig"

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Skywatcher skrev:
Hur vet man att stenarna verkligen kom från månen?

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"Moon rocks are absolutely unique," says Dr. David McKay, Chief Scientist for Planetary Science and Exploration at NASA's Johnson Space Center (JSC). McKay is a member of the group that oversees the Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility at JSC where most of the Moon rocks are stored. "They differ from Earth rocks in many respects," he added.

"For example," explains Dr. Marc Norman, a lunar geologist at the University of Tasmania, "lunar samples have almost no water trapped in their crystal structure, and common substances such as clay minerals that are ubiquitous on Earth are totally absent in Moon rocks."

see caption"We've found particles of fresh glass in Moon rocks that were produced by explosive volcanic activity and by meteorite impacts over 3 billion years ago," added Norman. "The presence of water on Earth rapidly breaks down such volcanic glass in only a few million years. These rocks must have come from the Moon!"

Fortunately not all of the evidence needs a degree in chemistry or geology to appreciate. An average person holding a Moon rock in his or her hand can plainly see that the specimen came from another world.

"Apollo moon rocks are peppered with tiny craters from meteoroid impacts," explains McKay. This could only happen to rocks from a planet with little or no atmosphere... like the Moon.

Meteoroids are nearly-microscopic specks of comet dust that fly through space at speeds often exceeding 50,000 mph -- ten times faster than a speeding bullet. They pack a considerable punch, but they're also extremely fragile. Meteoroids that strike Earth's atmosphere disintegrate in the rarefied air above our stratosphere. (Every now and then on a dark night you can see one -- they're called meteors.) But the Moon doesn't have an atmosphere to protect it. The tiny space bullets can plow directly into Moon rocks, forming miniature and unmistakable craters.

"There are plenty of museums, including the Smithsonian and others, where members of the public can touch and examine rocks from the Moon," says McKay. "You can see the little meteoroid craters for yourself."

Just as meteoroids constantly bombard the Moon so do cosmic rays, and they leave their fingerprints on Moon rocks, too. "There are isotopes in Moon rocks, isotopes we don't normally find on Earth, that were created by nuclear reactions with the highest-energy cosmic rays," says McKay. Earth is spared from such radiation by our protective atmosphere and magnetosphere.

Even if scientists wanted to make something like a Moon rock by, say, bombarding an Earth rock with high energy atomic nuclei, they couldn't. Earth's most powerful particle accelerators can't energize particles to match the most potent cosmic rays, which are themselves accelerated in supernova blastwaves and in the violent cores of galaxies.

Indeed, says McKay, faking a Moon rock well enough to hoodwink an international army of scientists might be more difficult than the Manhattan Project. "It would be easier to just go to the Moon and get one," he quipped.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

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The rocks possess characteristics that are very similar to rock on Earth, particularly in the amounts of oxygen isotopes. But rocks from the Moon tend to be relatively low in iron, and are depleted in volatile chemicals such as potassium or sodium and are completely lacking in water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rocks

Sen att stenanarna togs hem av Apolloexpeditionerna gör ju att man lätt kan tro att de kommer från månen.

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Månen är gjord av samma material som jorden. Dessutom är det så att till skillnad mot de andra himlakropparna i vintergatan så borde den rent logiskt inte finnas där den är placerad enligt dessa forskare:

http://pages.innerpotential.org/s06_disc11

Posted on: 2006/4/14 19:19
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Månen är gjord av samma material som jorden. Dessutom är det så att till skillnad mot de andra himlakropparna i vintergatan så borde den rent logiskt inte finnas där den är placerad enligt dessa forskare:

http://pages.innerpotential.org/s06_disc11

Två pseudoforskare... suck.
Vari ligger ologiken? Har deras resultat publicerats i någon peer-review-tidsskrift?

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the Moon simply has to be an artificially created object

Och vem fan skulle ha gjort det då för 4.5 miljarder år sen??

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"As NASA scientist Robin Brett aptly summarized, "It seems easier to explain the non-existence of the moon than it's existence." But of course, the moon exists. Why or how it exists remains a mystery."

Följande publicerades i Geoscience Research Institute i år:

Who built the moon?
Christopher Knight and Alan Butler

"Could it be that the moon has been artificially constructed? An extraordinary question, but one that is argued persuasively with compelling evidence and astonishing conclusions

The moon has confounded scientists for many years. It does not obey the known rules of astrophysics and there is no coherent theory of its origin – in fact it should not really be there. When researching the ancient Stone Age system of geometry and measurement, which they revealed in their previous book, Civilization One, the authors were surprised to discover that the system also works perfectly on the Moon. On further investigation, they found a consistent sequence of beautiful integer numbers when looking at every major aspect of the Moon, while no pattern emerges for any other planet or moon in the solar system.

For example, the Moon revolves at exactly one hundredth of the speed that the Earth turns on its axis; moreover, the Moon is exactly 400 times smaller than the Sun and 400 times closer to the Earth. They also discovered that the Moon possesses little or no heavy metals and has no core. In fact, many specialists suspect that the Moon is hollow, which should not be possible. If our Moon did not exist … nor would we. Higher life only developed on Earth because the Moon is exactly what it is and where it is. When all of the facts are dispassionately reviewed, it becomes unreasonable to cling to the idea that the Moon is a natural object. The only question that remains is, “Who built it”?"

Här är lite mer uppgifter om månen:

"The Moon acts suspiciously like an artificial machine rather than a natural body of space rock. It circles the Earth in a perfect circular orbit, always keeping one face turned toward the Earth, something the planets and other moons around them rarely do. Only Lapetus, one of the moons circling Saturn, shows similar characteristics." James Donahue

James L. Donahue is a newspaper reporter, editor and columnist with more than 40 years of experience in professional writing.

He is the published author of five books, all dealing with Michigan history, several magazine articles, and he has two other books in production. He currently produces an estimated five articles weekly for this web site.

"Vem fan gjorde det för några miljarder år sedan" undrar du?
Tja du zpz, det vet jag inte, men vem vet; vi kanske inte är ensamma i universum. Det finns väl rätt gott om forskare som håller med om det, även de som inte är pseudo sådana.

Posted on: 2006/4/14 22:17
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Lightsaber skrev:
"As NASA scientist Robin Brett aptly summarized, "It seems easier to explain the non-existence of the moon than it's existence." But of course, the moon exists. Why or how it exists remains a mystery."

Referens? Det är lite oseriöst att plocka citat ur dess sammanhang.

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Följande publicerades i Geoscience Research Institute i år:

Who built the moon?
Christopher Knight and Alan Butler

"Could it be that the moon has been artificially constructed? An extraordinary question, but one that is argued persuasively with compelling evidence and astonishing conclusions

The moon has confounded scientists for many years. It does not obey the known rules of astrophysics and there is no coherent theory of its origin – in fact it should not really be there. When researching the ancient Stone Age system of geometry and measurement, which they revealed in their previous book, Civilization One, the authors were surprised to discover that the system also works perfectly on the Moon. On further investigation, they found a consistent sequence of beautiful integer numbers when looking at every major aspect of the Moon, while no pattern emerges for any other planet or moon in the solar system.

For example, the Moon revolves at exactly one hundredth of the speed that the Earth turns on its axis; moreover, the Moon is exactly 400 times smaller than the Sun and 400 times closer to the Earth. They also discovered that the Moon possesses little or no heavy metals and has no core. In fact, many specialists suspect that the Moon is hollow, which should not be possible. If our Moon did not exist … nor would we. Higher life only developed on Earth because the Moon is exactly what it is and where it is. When all of the facts are dispassionately reviewed, it becomes unreasonable to cling to the idea that the Moon is a natural object. The only question that remains is, “Who built it”?"

Geoscience research institute... ja det låter ju fint, men det är en organisation knuten till "Seventh-day Adventist Church" med en kreationistisk agenda.
http://www.grisda.org/about.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church

Jag tror inte de har vetenskaplig peer-review på den info de publicerar....
Jag tycker det räcker med att konstatera att de föreslår att månen kan vara ihålig för att se vilken vetenskaplig kvalitet deras propagandadynga håller.
Tyngden i deras argumentation verkar ligga i att studera relationer mellan olika avstånd och hastigheter på ett, hm, tämligen ovetenskapligt vis.

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Här är lite mer uppgifter om månen:

"The Moon acts suspiciously like an artificial machine rather than a natural body of space rock. It circles the Earth in a perfect circular orbit, always keeping one face turned toward the Earth, something the planets and other moons around them rarely do. Only Lapetus, one of the moons circling Saturn, shows similar characteristics." James Donahue

James L. Donahue is a newspaper reporter, editor and columnist with more than 40 years of experience in professional writing.

He is the published author of five books, all dealing with Michigan history, several magazine articles, and he has two other books in production. He currently produces an estimated five articles weekly for this web site.

"Vem fan gjorde det för några miljarder år sedan" undrar du?
Tja du zpz, det vet jag inte, men vem vet; vi kanske inte är ensamma i universum. Det finns väl rätt gott om forskare som håller med om det, även de som inte är pseudo sådana.

Jaha, han är journalist, men vore mer intressant att veta vad han har för meriter på astrofysikområdet.
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Donahue's most recent work involves explorations in the esoteric realm, and studies of right brain functioning. He is completing an extensive study of Liber AL vel Legis, an occult document more commonly identified as The Book of the Law.

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id3.html
Låter som han har ett verkligt patos för vetenskapen.... not.


Vad gäller att månen vänder samma sida mot jorden så är det lätt att förklara, det beror på friktionen från tidvatteneffekterna, detta har "stannat" månen. Månen vobblar fortfarande lite fram och tillbaka, resterna av den rotation den hade förut. Jordens rotation bromsas också in pga dessa tidvatteneffekter, men effekterna är mycket svagare då månen är mycket mindre än vad jorden är.

Jag tycker nog ändå att det låter lite väl, vad ska jag säga, spekulativt, att framföra ideer om att några utomjordingar var här i vårt nybildade solsystem och fixade en måne, ca en miljard år innan det första mikrobiologiska livet uppstod här på jorden.
Det känns som att man måste vara en kreationistisk frikyrkopastor för att på allvar kunna tro på en sån ide.


Vad har denna teori för problem menar ni?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis

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Tja, det finns tydligen mer pålästa snubbar än dig och mig som inte finner det befängt att månen är artificiellt skapad:

IS THE MOON THE CREATION OF INTELLIGENCE?
by Mikhail Vasin and Alexander Shcherbakov
FROM THE EMINENT SOVIET JOURNAL: ’SPUTNIK’

AN ARTIFICIAL SPUTNIK OF THE EARTH?


The origin of the Moon is one of the most complicated problems of cosmogony. So far there have been basically three hypotheses under discussion.

HYPOTHESIS I: The Moon was once a part of the Earth and broke away from it.
This has now been refuted by the evidence.


HYPOTHESIS II: The Moon was formed independently from the same cloud of dust and gas as the Earth, and immediately became the Earth’s natural satellite.

But then why is there such a big difference between the specific gravity of the Moon (3.33 grams per cubic centimeter) and that of the Earth (5.5 gr.)? Furthermore, according to the latest information (analysis of samples brought back by the U.S. Apollo astronauts) lunar rock is not of the same composition as the Earth’s.

HYPOTHESIS III: The Moon came into being separately, and, moreover, far from the Earth (perhaps even outside the Solar system).

This would mean that the moon would not have to be fashioned from the same "clay" as our own planet. Sailing through the Universe, the Moon came into Earth’s proximity, and by a complex interplay of forces of gravity was brought within a geocentric orbit, very close to circular. But a catch of this kind is virtually impossible.


In fact, scientists studying the origin of the Universe today have no acceptable theory to explain how the Earth-Moon system came into being.

OUR HYPOTHESIS: The Moon is an artificial Earth satellite put into orbit around the Earth by some intelligent beings unknown to ourselves.

We refuse to engage in speculation about who exactly staged this unique experiment, which only a highly developed civilization was capable of.

A similar "crazy" idea was put forward in 1959 by Professor Iosif Shklovsky, an eminent scientist, in relation to the "moons" circling around Mars. After carefully weighing up the evidence he concludes that they are both hollow and therefore artificial satellites.


COULD OUR MOON BE ARTIFICIAL OR HOLLOW?
OUR ENIGMATIC MOON by N. Huntley, Ph.D.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the Moon is not what it appears; that it is not just another satellite orbiting a planet, Earth, but an entity which has thrown the minds of some of the greatest thinkers and scientific brains into a quandary and bewilderment unprecedented in the history of astronomy. Why haven't you heard about this? Another government cover-up? How could Moon mysteries have anything to do with government secrecy, and moreover could it relate to the suppression of the space programme

Let us outline some of the extraordinary anomalies and mysteries surrounding this puzzle. Clearly not all data will be equally reliable but the abundance of interrelated information nevertheless gives an overall picture which can be determined with some certainty. The first academic enigma must surely be that the Moon is apparently in its wrong orbit for its size. However, this would presumably be based on its assumed density. Technical reports claim a density of 3.3 for the Moon compared with 5.5 for Earth. Astronomy data indicates that the internal regions of the Moon are less dense than the outer, giving rise to the inevitable but outrageous speculation that it could be hollow. The eminent scientist Carl Sagan, a typical sceptic, made the statement, 'A natural satellite cannot be a hollow ob-ject'. But meaning here that if it is hollow, it is not a natural satellite---and therefore artificial.

Possibly the strongest evidence for it to be a 'hollow ob-ject' comes from the fact that when meteors strike the Moon, the latter rings like a bell. More specifically when the Apollo crew in November 20, 1969 released the lunar module, after returning to the orbiter, the module impact with the Moon caused their seismic equipment to register a continuous reverberation like a bell for more than an hour. The same effect occurred with Apollo 13's third stage which caused the Moon to ring for over three hours. So what's going on with the Moon?

Two Soviet scientists, Vasin and Shcherbokov, have spent much of their careers examining the facts compiled on lunar phenomena. Their conclusion is that the Moon is artificial, possibly a hollowed-out planet, and that it was steered from some distant region of the galaxy into a circular orbit around our planet (hence the extraordinary mystery of rock and Moon-dust age variations).

Jag är inte beredd att ta gift på att månen är konstgjord men jag är öppen för att det är fullt möjligt, men det kan ju bero på att jag till skillnad från dig kanske är mångalen.




Posted on: 2006/4/15 10:07
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Det e lugnt Lightsaber, jag tror flickan lilla har lingonvecka... Dessutom måste han få uppmärksamhet någonstans ifrån....

Tjoooo

Posted on: 2006/4/15 10:23
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Ost kanske?

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