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Debate: Loose Change Filmmakers vs. Popular Mechanics
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EXCLUSIVE...9/11 Debate: Loose Change Filmmakers vs. Popular Mechanics Editors of "Debunking 9/11 Myths"

http://www.archive.org/download/dn2006-0911/dn2006-0911-1_64kb.mp3

Posted on: 2006/9/11 21:57
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Re: Debate: Loose Change Filmmakers vs. Popular Mechanics
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Tackar för den Neo!

Posted on: 2006/9/11 22:22
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Re: Debate: Loose Change Filmmakers vs. Popular Mechanics
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Trevlig diskussion, synd bara att den var såpass tidspressad att man inte hann bemöta alla påståenden som Dylan kom med.

Ex.
Dylan: "if you look at any other plane crash you'll have a tail section, a wing section..."

Dylan borde studera krashen av PSA 1771, där planet störtade som UA93, dvs medvetet styrt rakt ner i backen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Flight_1771
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml

"A Call comes in to the San Luis Obispo County, California Sherrif's Office citing a small plane crash in the mountains of southern California. Detective Bill Wammock is the first to arrive on the scene. He recalls “nothing that resembled an airliner... we went on for hours, before we heard the news reports of a missing airliner, believing that we were dealing with a small airplane full of newspapers that had crashed. We saw no pieces of the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look like a passenger aircraft”."



Ett annat påstående jag skulle vilja bemöta är att det att "do the orders still stand" skulle ha syftat på en "stand down order". I själva verket handlar det om en order att skjuta ner plan som kontrollerades av terrorister.

"MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --

MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

MR. HAMILTON: The Pentagon, yeah.

MR. MINETA: And so I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in listening to the conversation between the young man and the vice president, then at the time I didn't really recognize the significance of that.

And then later I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes away. And so then, at the time we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then I thought, "Oh, my God, did we shoot it down?" And then we had to, with the vice president, go through the Pentagon to check that out.

MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that plane down.

MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.

MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft down.

MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out. "

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive ... on_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

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