Dom där snubbarna på CTBUH är ena riktiga konspirationsteoretiker, ifrågasätta självaste NIST dom som praktiskt taget är vetenskapens krubba, hur kan dom!?

Från samma artikel:

"The Council would like to make it clear that it sees no credibility whatsoever in
the 911 ‘truth movement’ and we believe, with the vast majority of tall building
professionals, that all the failures at the WTC (WTC 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7) were a
direct or indirect result of the planes that were flown into the two towers. We
have carefully looked at the evidence that the 911 ‘truth movement’ presents
and we cannot see any credible scientific evidence of a controlled demolition
on WTC 7 or any of the other WTC buildings. The Council considers that the
‘truth movement’ is a distraction and should not obfuscate the performance
issues which should be at the center of the debate about how best to continue
to improve and develop fire and life safety in tall buildings"

Oh god, Twoofer...det första inlägg du kommer med efter banningen är DETTA?

A STRAW MAN argument.

CTBUH är väldig intressant, och märkligt hur många gånger de lägga märke till hur NIST's report och många stora dicrepencies.

De kan väl vara för RÄDDA att vara kopplat till Truth Movement, men deras information är väldigt intressant och bevisar hur de som jobbar i relevanta bygg, injenjör bränch är INTE enat om grundlängande punkter.

Strawman? På vilket sätt? Jag postade direkt ur Prisonplanet-artikeln.

Sen säger jag inte något om huruvida de är rädda för någon. Det enda jag gjorde var att citera.

Och jag håller med dig om att det är väldigt intressant.

Tja NIST har ju numera erkännt förekomsten av både smält stål och att de ämnen som ingår i Thermi(a)te förekom vid Ground Zero. Kanske CTBUH också skulle ta hänsyn till detta, innan de gör sig till åtlöje de också.

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Var har NIST erkännt att det förekom smält stål? Har helt missat detta

Twoofer skrev:
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Om det endå vore så väl :) Du kan inte vara snäll? :D Är trots allt fredag. Skulle mycket gärna vilja ha reda på var NIST sagt detta nämligen

Intervjun med Dr Shyam Sunder(Nist), finns i denna forumavdelning. Min tolkning är att han även erkänner förekomst av de ämnen som används vid Thermi(a)te.

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Substanser från therm*te har hittats, visst. Är de unika för therm*te? Knappast.

Ang. förekommsten av smält stål, nämner de det i intervjun? De intervjuer jag hört handlar det om hypotetiska scenarion, typ "hur skulle smält stål kunna finnas på GZ" varpå Sunder svarat med något resonemang. Däremot har jag inte hört NIST säga att det förekom smält stål.

Det som jag tycker framkommer i denna intervju är att NIST själv säger att de inte hittat varken smält stål eller förekomst av thermite. Dock så erkänner Dr Sunder att det existerat, men att de använde inte inte denna info i sin hypotes. Anmärkningsvärt och motsägelsefullt, då jag har för mig att de påstår att de haft tillgång till allt martial.

Det var unika ämnen för thermi(a)te, men i så små mängder, enligt NIST. Därför ingen hänsyn till dessa rapporter.


SVT körde en bra film i förmiddags som alla debunkare såg förstås. Eller drömmer jag? SVT hade i alla fall den goda smaken att köra War Made Easy vilket är en film som alla debunkare naturligtvis har sett och redan lagt in i sin informationsbank så att de inte behöver stå där, likt kejsaren utan sina kläder sen, när fler vaknat ut sin slummer.

NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report

http://nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tbx2008_1120_wtc7.htm

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) today released its final report on the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City. The final report is strengthened by clarifications and supplemental text suggested by organizations and individuals worldwide in response to the draft WTC 7 report, released for public comment on Aug. 21, but the revisions did not alter the investigation team's major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building's failure.

http://patapsco.nist.gov/ImageGallery/details.cfm?imageid=602

The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.

In response to comments from the building community, NIST conducted an additional computer analysis. The goal was to see if the loss of WTC 7's Column 79—the structural component identified as the one whose failure ..ed the progressive collapse—would still have led to a complete loss of the building if fire or damage from the falling debris of the nearby WTC 1 tower were not factors. The investigation team concluded that the column's failure under any circumstance would have initiated the destructive sequence of events.

Other revisions to the final WTC 7 report included:

* Expanding the discussion of firestopping, the material placed between floors to prevent floor-to-floor fire spread;
* Clarifying the description of thermal expansion as it related to WTC 7's shear studs and floor beams; and
* Explaining in greater detail the computer modeling approach used to define where and when the fire in WTC 7 started and the extent of window breakage as a result of fire.

With the release of the final WTC 7 report, NIST has completed its federal building and fire safety investigation of the WTC disaster that began in August 2002. A three-year study of the collapses of the WTC towers (WTC 1 and 2) was completed in October 2005. More than 20 changes in the U.S. model building and fire codes have already been adopted based on the findings and recommendations from the investigation.

NIST will now work with various public and private groups toward implementing additional changes to the U.S. model building and fire codes including those based on the 13 recommendations from the WTC 7 report (one new and 12 reiterated from the towers investigation).

The complete text of the final WTC 7 report, a video describing the WTC 7 investigation findings, a of all comments received on the draft WTC 7 report, a chart tracking the progress toward implementing all of the NIST WTC recommendations, and other materials may be accessed at http://wtc. nist. gov.

Graphic showing the buckling of WTC 7 Column 79 (circled area), the local failure identified as the initiating event in the building's progressive collapse.

Credit: NIST Building and Fire Research Laboratory
View hi-resolution image

Media Contact: Michael E.
Newman, michael.newman@nist.gov, (301) 975-3025

Editor's Note:

For the first time in the history of modern steel high-rise building construction, fire alone has been blamed for the complete and total destruction of WTC 7, a massive 47 story steel framed high rise, the THIRD building that mysteriously "collapsed" on September 11th, 2001.

Please observe the following videos and ask yourself, could the failure of ONE column (Col.
79) explain the perfectly symmetrical and total failure of the entire structure built from massive steel columns and beams?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvx904dAw0o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Now, please watch the following video and ask yourself, how did the BBC know WTC 7 (Solomon Brothers Building) was going to come down and even report that the building had "collapsed" 20 minutes before the building suddenly came down?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?cat=11


Summary of Evidence of Controlled Demolition at the World Trade Center
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25 Nov 2008 / Controlled Demolition, Evidence

This work is dedicated to Chief of Department Peter J. Ganci Jr. and his
342 fellow F.D.N.Y. members killed in action while trying to save others.

Summary of Evidence of Controlled Demolition at the World Trade Center
(Expansive citations below)

This article appeared originally at FireFightersFor911Truth.org and is the intellectual property of David R. Wayne & Greg Garrison ©2008 with all use permissions hereby granted provided that all copies include this notice of authorship.

The evidence summarized below proves conclusively that 3 World Trade Center buildings collapsed on 9/11/2001 as the result of controlled demolitions. It makes no attempt to determine why, or to imply by whom. From a scientific standpoint, it is inadvisable to leap to conclusions because there are always scenarios we may not be prepared to imagine. In science, as in life, an open mind is a good thing. It is conceivable that there was a bio-threat airborne in the CIA undercover New York station in Building 7 capable of wiping out 20 million people if it wasn’t immediately neutralized by the use of Thermate. Although that is unlikely, it remains possible and therefore, scientifically, it stands as an unknown, as do many other unknowns.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1881839648593493167


Explosioner.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFbDuqBeAPM