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"Ojdå, human rättigheter. Nytt begrepp och jag förstår inte vad du skulle vilja påvisa för skillnad."

Det kan väl inte vara svårt att förstå. Framför allt de som varit på vaken ett tag vet detta...

Kan du avgöra vad som är "mänskliga" rättigheter?

När det görs om till politik - ska tex du avgöra vad tex en afrikansk stam... ska införliva i sitt liv av vårt strunttänk kring en lista på fri- och rättigheter?

Vi har inte mycket frihet med oss här -vi är inom födelse, sjukdom, åldrande och död, hela tiden i liv efter liv - och nu i ett snabbt krympande utrymme.

Tala inte om frihet... då.

Den universella deklarationen om mänskliga rättigheter (FN) lett av en kommunistsympatisör, Eleanor Roosevelt, när det skulle skapas av eliten.

Passar bra in i "deras" snabba marsch nu med en värld, global...

Nu lanseras Holy Wood snart "frihetshjälten" (mördaren)... Che Guevara, efter Nyår. Enkelt pussel. Du sköna nya värld, den av komaister efterlängtade själlösa teknikvärlden, i zeitgeisttappning närmar sig - en Avdelning i kubik - no human där - det som då finns kommer väl fortfarande att kalla sig human... och tala om de mänskliga rättigheterna...

Aha, så du är av uppfattningen att någon kidnappat orden mänskliga rättigheter? Visst FN och vissa andra organ använder termen och använder den politiskt. Dessutom är det bara politiska floskler i deras värld. vilket jag också sa tidigare.

Men orden betyder något också och du har dina mänskliga rättigheter, eftersom ditt liv, din kropp och din själ är din egen egendom och ingen har rätten att säga hur du ska leva ditt liv.

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" eftersom ditt liv, din kropp och din själ är din egen egendom och ingen har rätten..."

Hur vet du det, varifrån kommer sådana tankar?

Nu pratar du om mig - (ditt) så hur kan du veta något om tex någon har eller inte har rätten att säga hur jag ska leva mitt liv?

Vet du något om vad/vem som kan sägas "äga" det där?

Hur jag vet det? Anser du att någon annan äger rätten till din kropp och ditt intellekt och även att de ska bestämma hur du ska leva så... nope, säger inget mer. Är redan lite väl uppenbart redan.

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Du vet alltså då inte om det är så som du skrev "ingen har...".

Vilka härliga symboler, den där fasci och all seeing eye, oremen.

Vad FINT! Vill oxå ha, sheesh, de där Frimurare, vad de KAN! ; )


Lite ur wikipedia:
he Declaration was a step in the transition of France from an absolute to a constitutional monarchy. (från det synliga makten, till den dolda, genom frimurareordern, orders from above)

Many of the principles in the declaration directly oppose the institutions and usages of the ancien régime of pre-revolutionary France.

France soon became a republic, and this document remains fundamental: the principles set forth in the declaration are of constitutional value in present-day French law and may be invoked in opposing legislation or other government activities.

The concepts in the declaration come from the philosophical and political principles of the Age of Enlightenment,

such as individualism, the social contract as theorized by the English philosopher John Locke and developed by Jean Jacques Rousseau, and the separation of powers espoused by the Baron de Montesquieu.

As can be seen in the texts, the French declaration is heavily influenced by the political philosophy of the Enlightenment, and by Enlightenment principles of human rights contained in the U.S. Declaration of Independence (4 July 1776), of which the delegates were fully aware.[5] Thomas Jefferson, primary author of the U.S. Declaration of Independence, was at the time in France as a U.S. diplomat, and was in correspondence with members of the French National Constituent Assembly.


Föressten, här har vi texten:

In consequence whereof, the National Assembly recognizes and declares, in the presence and under the auspices of the Supreme Being, the following Rights of Man and of the Citizen.
Article first.

- Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions may be based only on considerations of the common good.
Article 2.

- The aim of every political association is the preservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man. These rights are Liberty, Property, Safety and Resistance to Oppression.
Article 3.

- The source of all sovereignty lies essentially in the Nation. No corporate body, no individual may exercise any authority that does not expressly emanate from it.
Article 4.

- Liberty consists in being able to do anything that does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of every man has no bounds other than those that ensure to the other members of society the enjoyment of these same rights. These bounds may be determined only by Law.
Article 5.

- The Law has the right to forbid only those actions that are injurious to society. Nothing that is not forbidden by Law may be hindered, and no one may be compelled to do what the Law does not ordain.
Article 6.

- The Law is the expression of the general will. All citizens have the right to take part, personally or through their representatives, in its making. It must be the same for all, whether it protects or punishes. All citizens, being equal in its eyes, shall be equally eligible to all high offices, public positions and employments, according to their ability, and without other distinction than that of their virtues and talents.
Article 7.

- No man may be accused, arrested or detained except in the cases determined by the Law, and following the procedure that it has prescribed. Those who solicit, expedite, carry out, or cause to be carried out arbitrary orders must be punished; but any citizen summoned or apprehended by virtue of the Law, must give instant obedience; resistance makes him guilty.
Article 8.

- The Law must prescribe only the punishments that are strictly and evidently necessary; and no one may be punished except by virtue of a Law drawn up and promulgated before the offense is committed, and legally applied.
Article 9.

- As every man is presumed innocent until he has been declared guilty, if it should be considered necessary to arrest him, any undue harshness that is not required to secure his person must be severely curbed by Law.
Article 10.

- No one may be disturbed on account of his opinions, even religious ones, as long as the manifestation of such opinions does not interfere with the established Law and Order.
Article 11.

- The free communication of ideas and of opinions is one of the most precious rights of man. Any citizen may therefore speak, write and publish freely, except what is tantamount to the abuse of this liberty in the cases determined by Law.
Article 12.

- To guarantee the Rights of Man and of the Citizen a public force is necessary; this force is therefore established for the benefit of all, and not for the particular use of those to whom it is entrusted.
Article 13.

- For the maintenance of the public force, and for administrative expenses, a general tax is indispensable; it must be equally distributed among all citizens, in proportion to their ability to pay.
Article 14.

- All citizens have the right to ascertain, by themselves, or through their representatives, the need for a public tax, to consent to it freely, to watch over its use, and to determine its proportion, basis, collection and duration.
Article 15.

- Society has the right to ask a public official for an accounting of his administration.
Article 16.

- Any society in which no provision is made for guaranteeing rights or for the separation of powers, has no Constitution.
Article 17.

- Since the right to Property is inviolable and sacred, no one may be deprived thereof, unless public necessity, legally ascertained, obviously requires it, and just and prior indemnity has been paid.






UN declaration






On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the full text of which appears in the following pages. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."

PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article 1.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.

(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21.

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.

(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22.

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23.

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.

(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24.

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.

(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.

(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.

(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.

(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.

(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.

(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Man fattar att för att bevaka att alla "human rights" efterlevs så krävs ett ofantligt byråkratiskt kontrollsystem.

Om jag plockar bara ett exempel:

"(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace."

Utbildning är alltså INTE till för skaffa sig kunskaper, eller att söka efter sanning. Utbildning är till för att forma folk till lydiga världsmedborgare.

Jämför:

1936 Constitution of the USSR

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Precis, viktigt att fatta det - att utbildning är för att programmera bort folket, få det till att bli robotar, som ttor på scienzereligionen och dumtv.

Inte konstigt väl att jag propsar på det med ordet "human"... eftersom de använder det så vet vi sedan starten att det får man vända på - man gör det med Allt - det får oss till att bli non human - "rights" är de dåliga krafternas rätt att köra ut det här programmet direkt efter att mammorna inte ammat sina bebisar... in på dagis och förskolor med de små...

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"Det var inte nog med att sodomiterna levde sitt onaturliga liv, de attackerade den rättfärdiges boning och ställde krav på dem som fanns där.
Så har det blivit i Sverige också. Den senaste attacken innebär att..."
http://www.flammor.com/tidstecken/tidstecken088.asp

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Håller helt med, de smusslar snyggt in politik och vill sen kalla det för MR. Vi behöver inte prestera ett skit och ändå har vi våra grundläggande mänskliga rättigheter.

Det som jag utgår ifrån är vi är ett medvetande och kroppen ett verktyg som vi bestämmer över genom att skicka elektrisk impulser från vår hjärna till övriga delar av kroppen. Elektriska impulser kan även komma utifrån med ändå är det vår hjärna som bestämmer vår reaktion. Hade det inte fungerat så, att hjärnan dvs. vårt medvetande styr vår riktning så tvekar jag på att vi haft en sammanhängande kropp att vandra i.

Jag förstår inte vad du vill komma med ordet human, mer än att du vill distansiera dig ïfrån att du tycker att FN och andra lagt beslag på ordet mänsklig.

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Så du tänker så du.
Att det du ser, med det som är dagens nedsläckta hjärna i samsara skulle vara som en gräns för allting, du ser fysiskt på det hela.

Suck.

Jag har skrivit om det så mycket, så jag gör det inte nu, reeepostar bara:

http://vaken.se/modules/newbb/viewtop ... t_id=30454#forumpost30454

http://vaken.se/modules/newbb/viewtop ... t_id=38131#forumpost38131

http://vaken.se/modules/newbb/viewtop ... t_id=82354#forumpost82354

En sak som brukar känneteckna någon som brukar kalla sig "vaken" är ödmjukhet och inte verka så polariserande. Bl.a. för att det är det enda sättet att få någon annan nyfiken på att lära sig något.

Popeye var NOVAX.
Novax är inte välkommna här.
Hejdå Novax.

Vissa inlägg raderas nu för att hålla till ämnet.

M

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