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Re: Boston Marathon
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Jag lade ut länken till beskådande på en antikonspirativ blogg och reaktionen var förstås negativ men en vettig kommentar går ut på att det faktiskt borde gå att få bekräftat läget för de skadade på sjukhusen, kanske till och med kommentarer från skadade.

Återkommer om jag får in mer...

Posted on: 2013/5/2 19:16
"Använd skallen, Nollan! Om inte vi kan se dom, hur fan skall dom kunna se oss???" (Knasen, 1967)
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Re: Boston Marathon
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Jag hittade även den här hemsidan:
Why no ambulances? Why no fire trucks? Why no stretchers? Why ZERO real emergency response?
ANSWER: Because it was only a DRILL, AS ANNOUNCED ON THE SPEAKERS REPEATEDLY BEFORE THE BLAST, AND EVERYTHING WENT AS PLANNED. Crisis Actors were AWESOME.


Think about that.
The businesses lost a few windows, because the scammers were assholes about the drill. However, if it had been real, the smoke was there for SO LONG that there is no doubt the fire department would have been called long before it dissipated, and EMT's with their ambulances would have mobbed the scene. The fact that this did not happen proves the bombing to have been a drill all by itself. In fact, the fire department and medical centers would have HAD TO HAVE BEEN TOLD TO STAND DOWN AHEAD OF TIME TO AVOID REAL CITIZENS CALLING THEM IN.

Mister leg bone had his fake leg fall off in front of a private security camera and the police put it back on;

Bomber 2 was chased away from his own "car jacked" Mercedes,

Mother crying that it was her son totally naked in the video ALIVE after being arrested, and then obviously murdered by the police,

Bomber 2 gets out of the boat unhurt and then suddenly cannot speak,

All victims being treated at the same Jewish medical center,

A restaurant saying it did not happen as stated,

Older brother showing up in kraft uniform with younger brother in civilian clothes (how did THAT not make news? the older brother was a freaking AGENT at that bombing,)

No emergency response to the bombing, NO FIRE TRUCKS, NO EMT's NO AMBULANCE

WRONG COLOR BACK PACK

DHS web page found with job applications for Boston bombing, including requests for amputee actors, and for people to arrive with shredded clothes

Whistleblower saying ahead of time that this bombing was staged, and reloading powder and bullets would be restricted as a result.

Witnesses saying the police ran over the brother

Fake blood packs found at scene

Scene additionaly trashed afterwards to look better for the camera (look through the photos)

Mysteriously edited photos and vanishing evidence ongoing, even now (censorship)

And MANY more.

Paul Short posted the following to the forum:

@admin exactly, no emergency response. Why the heck would they take a guy with his legs blown off, sit him upright in a wheelchair and wheel him 50-100 yards down the street to an ambulance when there is a perfectly good paved roadway right there? Why would they let that young blonde woman in the blue shirt die on the sidewalk when ambulances equipped with defribulators, oxygen and jumpstart drugs were 50-100 yards away?

I've been at the scene of serious accidents and the like (never a bombing) and the roads are clogged with ambulances and firetrucks within minutes. I've actually seen an ambulance shove a car out of the way to get access to the scene. They don't take trauma victims on stretchers and wheelchairs and push them a block up the street to be treated, they bring the treatment units to the victims.

There was lots of opportunity for photographers and cameramen to get close to the gore in Boston though.

My response: It's worse than that even - Mister exposed leg bone was wheeled back and forth through the scene, as far as the cameras went that were covering it, NO FEWER THAN 4 TIMES, to make GOOD AND SURE he got his picture taken plenty of times. No nice photo of when his prop leg fell off though. And since I never saw a photo of ANY responding ambulance, even off in the distance, it cannot be said that they were 50 - 100 yards away. I don't think they were there AT ALL.

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Posted on: 2013/5/2 20:42
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Re: Boston Marathon
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Den antikonspiratoriska bloggen biter sig fast i vissa saker typ att man betonar att det var "ett judiskt sjukhus" som tog emot de skadade och menar väl därvid att det finns en tendens att ALLTID vilja märka ut judiska institutioner och det får jag väl hålla med om, faktiskt. Man kan välja att vara neutral och inte bita märke i sådant, det går lätt till överdrift och är inte relevant i alla lägen och då har man tappat bort uppmärksamhetsvärde på den manövern.

Men jag hittade också det här:

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2013/05 ... ng-the-tsarnaev-brothers/

Posted on: 2013/5/3 11:40
"Använd skallen, Nollan! Om inte vi kan se dom, hur fan skall dom kunna se oss???" (Knasen, 1967)
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Re: Boston Marathon
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Jag hittade det här på youtube:
BOSTON LIES!! NEW HARD EVIDENCE!!! YOU ALL MUST REALLY WATCH THIS!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tIYKHssxYU

Posted on: 2013/5/3 22:26
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Re: Boston Marathon
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Jag har lagt märke till en sak när jag läst och deltagit i motståndarbloggar till sådana som Vaken:

Motståndarna plockar många poäng genom att man kan hitta vissa gemensamma drag hos konspirationsteoretiska bloggar,exempelvis att vilja se judiska konspirationer.

Jag betvivlar inte en sekund att det finns judiska konspirationer, men det finns också kinesiska, albanska, kurdiska, pakistanska, saudiska och så vidare i en lång lång rad. Om man är så enögd att man bara letar efter en skyldig i alla sammanhang har man noll koll och riskerar att hamna fel stup i kvarten.

Jag sa "vilja se". Mycket ofta ser människan vad den vill se, nämligen!

Motståndarna har det felet att de liksom försöker resonera sig fram till vad som kan vara möjligt och inte möjligt genom att använda vanlig logik.

Här plockar den konspiratoriska sidan poäng genom att studera vad som verkligen har hänt ute på fältet.

Brott skall utredas på brottsplatsen med de inblandade, inte tyckas något om.

Posted on: 2013/5/6 6:46
"Använd skallen, Nollan! Om inte vi kan se dom, hur fan skall dom kunna se oss???" (Knasen, 1967)
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Re: Boston Marathon
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Dom kanske är shills allihopa. Jag hittade den här texten:
A shill speaks up.
I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me). She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.

The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.” I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.

The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.

We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.” Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.

After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”

“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.

“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.

The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.

My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”

She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings. If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”

The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.

The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.” Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”
At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.

The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”

The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).

I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.

After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.

This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.

Yours,


ExShill

April 2012
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/vani ... 335/a-shill-speaks-up-/p1

Posted on: 2013/5/7 7:49
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Re: Boston Marathon
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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585

Quote:
II. Governmental Responses
What can government do about conspiracy theories? Among the things it can do,
what should it do? We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1)
Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind
of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government
might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy
theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in
counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such
parties, encouraging them to help. Each instrument has a distinctive set of potential
effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions.
However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration
of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5).


Han som skrev detta var för något år sen favorit bland dom nominerade till supreme court justice.

Posted on: 2013/5/7 11:23
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Re: Boston Marathon
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Det skulle möjligen gå att kriminalisera att sprida rykten som rena påståenden som sedan går att motbevisa, men jag begriper inte hur man skulle kunna hindra någon från att citera någon som gjort ett uttalande.

Vad som skulle hända vore att folk blev skiträdda för att överhuvud taget lyssna på något som helst som kom nån annan stans ifrån än officiella kanaler.

Sanningen får skrivas på toalettdörrar och på cellväggar.

Snygg verklighet att lämna i arv till sina barn, va?

Posted on: 2013/5/7 11:51
"Använd skallen, Nollan! Om inte vi kan se dom, hur fan skall dom kunna se oss???" (Knasen, 1967)
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Re: Boston Marathon
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Litet klipp om de två brödernas farbror och Graham Fuller:






Ett lite längre klipp med Sibel Edmonds:



Posted on: 2013/5/10 2:59
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Re: Boston Marathon
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Monitor missing


[img width=300]http://cmsimg.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=D2&Date=20130415&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=130415039&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&List-Iowans-registered-Boston-Marathon[/img]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature= ... _embedded&v=c9-oVzLRrH4#!

Posted on: 2013/5/15 6:31
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Monitor missing


[img width=300]http://cmsimg.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=D2&Date=20130415&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=130415039&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&List-Iowans-registered-Boston-Marathon[/img]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature= ... _embedded&v=c9-oVzLRrH4#!

Posted on: 2013/5/15 6:31
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Det är givetvis fullständigt omöjligt att hävda en konspiratorisk uppfattning varje gång nåt händer, någon gång har man säkert fel.

Men författaren och journalisten Mark Twain sade angående sitt eget yrkesval: "Jag fick aldrig jobb inom nåt hederligt yrke så jag blev journalist!".

I mina unga dagar läste jag roat om alla frimuraräventyr som står beskrivna i Mark Twains böcker, man ljuger som hästar travar, uppfinner nya fågelarter, ställer till med upplopp och liknande i långa banor och i ett dråpligt avsnitt beskrivs hur man beger sig ut på kyrkogården en månlös natt med en hink och hämtar hem huvudet från en avliden medlem till logens lokaler (ni vet, "djävulsdyrkarna som välter gravstenar", inte obekant härhemma heller precis!).

Men när man googlar på honom och masons får man bara upp titlar om att han sällan skrev om sånt och inga länkar, hahaha!

Men de ständiga anklagelserna om att rigga nyheter börjar gå de ansvariga på nerverna, det är helt klart.

Boston tycks ha skapat extra mycket förklaringsbehov... det är faktiskt ovanligt att saker kommenteras i efterskott men denna gången är man extra angelägen att visa att det minsann varit ett attentat.

Vi svider i deras ögon.

Posted on: 2013/5/15 9:05
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"Det är givetvis fullständigt omöjligt att hävda en konspiratorisk uppfattning varje gång nåt händer, någon gång har man säkert fel."

Men visst gör man det ändå? Kvittar vad det är som händer så är Jones och repet där och sen sprids det som en chockvåg över världen. Mycket bra affärsverksamhet... Det du beskriver är ett intressant fenomen: Självhypnotiserad masspsykos hehe. Låt säga att 1 av 10 är falseflagg så intalar sig "sanningssökarna" att det är det 9 av 10. Nu är det så klart inte så, tvärt om CIA gör ju så rätt ofta... tror jag o_O HAHA :D

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