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9/11 Tower Recreation: Building Does Not Collapse

Firefighting News | August 4 2006

There were dramatic scenes when experts torched a Glasgow tower block – to find out why New York’s World Trade Centre collapsed when it was hit by hijacked planes. The experiment, filmed for a BBC documentary, was carried out in a 22-floor high-rise in Dalmarnock due for demolition by Glasgow Housing Association.

Experts from Edinburgh University have been at the east end site for around a month preparing the block for the “freeburn” blaze, which was over in just 25 minutes yesterday.

Scientists draped heat sensors over the front of the building to analyse data and record the temperature of the fire.

A “truss” similar to the steel building frame used in the construction of the Twin Towers was also installed on the fourth floor to discover how it would react to flames and intense heat.

Some experts believe the World Trade Centre would not have collapsed on September 11, 2001, if it had been built along more conventional lines.

Glasgow production company Lion Television filmed the event for the Horizon TV programme.

Around 10 cameras, including a cameraman on a 50ft cherry picker, recorded the fire, which was started at 12.10pm.

A crowd of neighbours and onlookers gathered to watch the spectacle at 4 Millerfield Place as the director shouted “Lighting the fire now”, followed by “Please exit the building, the flat’s on fire”.

Within minutes, smoke could be seen filling the two-bedroom flat, which contained a couch, desks, a computer and bookshelves. It seeped through the edge of the windows and billowed out.

Soon the windows could be heard popping as the fire reached temperatures of up to 900C.

A member of the TV crew “said: “They’re cracking, I can hear them cracking.”

At 12.15pm, what appeared to be the seal of the windows melted and floated to the ground, watched closely by a team of 10 Strathclyde firefighters.

Plumes of smoke changed colour from grey to black as the first window shattered, sending glass tumbling to the ground. The acrid smoke filled the air as a window round the corner crashed to the ground.

Minutes later, flames could be seen licking the window frames of the flat and a second window facing the front caved in.

Once the property was fully on fire, a signal was given to fire crews to put out the blaze.

The spectacle was all over by 12.35pm and only the smouldering devastation and blackened windows were left.

Experts will set the tower block on fire again tomorrow, when a second-floor flat, identically set up, will be torched.

However, this flat will be rigged with remote-controlled sensors which will open doors and windows to test the effects of ventilation on the fire.

Jose Torero, a Peruvian professor of fire safety engineering at Edinburgh University, who led the fire experiment after tests on computer models, said: “It didn’t even cross my mind the Twin Towers would collapse.

“We are trying to evaluate the structures which people use to build buildings and to test how fire burns in buildings.”

Three GHA tenants still living in the block have been put up in hotels while filming takes place. They are due to be moved to new accommodation shortly.

The controlled blaze comes after a tower block in Toryglen was sprayed with thousands of litres of coloured paint on Saturday and Sunday.

The empty high-rise was filmed for a TV commercial for a Sony high-definition TV.

A spokesman for Strathclyde Fire and Rescue said of yesterday’s blaze: “We hope as a result of this major experiment Mr Torero and his colleagues will come up with new information about fire behaviour that will save many lives in the future.”

BLAZE TIMELINE

12.10pm: Director announces fire is lit.

12.12: Smoke seen filling the inside of flat.

12.15: Seals on windows float to ground as smoke billows out of flat.

12.20: Glass shatters in first front window, quickly followed by window on the corner.

12.22: Flames seen at front window.

12.24: Fire takes hold around front window frame.

12.26: Second window caves in at front.

12.30: Flames spread round the ledge as smoke fills balcony.

12.35: Fire crews move in to extinguish blaze.

I saw the smoke and the glass flying . . . it was quite dramatic

FORMER resident and mum-of-five Pauline Birrell, 44, of Dalmarnock, watched the blaze with her four-yearold daughter Jade.

She said: “I stayed on the 17th floor for 19 years. It was a great place to live, but they’ve moved me out to a new place on Springfield Road.

“I was quite surprised when I realised it was my old tower block they’d set on fire.

“I saw the smoke and the glass flying – it was quite dramatic.

“If it helps to save lives in the long run and is for a good cause, it can’t be a bad thing.”

Written by Evening Times; Glasgow

Och vad har detta med World Trade Center att göra?

Hur desperat på "bevis" är du?


Tycker du allvarligt att detta är relevant bevisning att framföra för att visa på att din teori med sprängningar?

/Gert

SOPA: Och vad har detta med World Trade Center att göra?

Article: A “truss” similar to the steel building frame used in the construction of the Twin Towers was also installed on the fourth floor to discover how it would react to flames and intense heat.

Some experts believe the World Trade Centre would not have collapsed on September 11, 2001, if it had been built along more conventional lines.

Cicero: Själv tyckte jag det var ganska intressant att någon testat det i praktiken. Men det kanske sticker i ögonen på en som vill hålla det inom egna teoretiska kvasivetenskapliga domäner.

Om det inte funkar i praktiken kan du ju alltid maila dom att du har en teoretisk modell som funkar. ;/

Varför är du emot konkreta tester?
Du kanske bara är intresserad av vetenskap sålänge det stödjer dina egna konspirationsteorier!?

NIST försökte återskapa kollapsen med modeller men det funkade inte, men det gick ju självklart när de körde med skruvade datorsimulationer lol!

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Du kan väll be dina förräldrar att återskapa dig och se om det går.

BA ba ba knyt näven och räkna till tio.
Fundera över resultatet istället och fråga dig varför.

Ja det var en dum liknelse men inte helt orelevant.

Irrelevant...

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För 50 11:e gången läs dom officiella rapporterna så ser du hur kraven på en simulering är. Men du kritiserar något du inte läst, det är inte smart.

Jag är emot flum som denna brand övning är, det var inte menat som direkt något test för att bevisa rasen i WTC, för hade det varit det så hade man inte släkt branden efter 25 minuter och detta vet en 4 åring.

Sen skulle jag uppskatta att du inte använder ordet vetenskapligt, för du vet tydligen inte innebörden av detta ord.

12.10 PM Dom tänder på i huset.

12.35 PM Dom går in och släcker elden.

Hur relaterar du denna 25 minuters brand till WTC?

Var det något hus vid WTC som brann i 25 minuter innan det rasade?

Om dom nu skryter om att "thruss" är likvärdigt WTC, borde man då inte låta det brinna lika länge?

20 våningar.
Jag har för mig att WTC 1 och 2 var "lite" högre!

Nej jämförelsen har inget vetenskapligt värde alls, jag förstår att skeptiker griper varje halmstrå för att föra fram sina lögner.
Men något bevisat blir det inte.

/Gert

Härmed så ber jag OSPA att fortsätta sin diskussion i skeptikerforumet. Detta forum är till för att diskutera alternativa versioner av händelsen.

Eventuell kritik mot dessa regler skall framföras under övrigt.

Tack för din medverkan.

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Duude, exactly, needed at least 6 hours at higher temps to collapse those houses

En ny rapport om detta ämne finns att läsa här:
http://xbehome.com/screwloosechange/p ... UDY_BBlanchard_8-8-06.pdf

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OSPA skrev: Jag är emot flum som denna brand övning är, det var inte menat som direkt något test för att bevisa rasen i WTC, för hade det varit det så hade man inte släkt branden efter 25 minuter och detta vet en 4 åring.... Nej jämförelsen har inget vetenskapligt värde alls, jag förstår att skeptiker griper varje halmstrå för att föra fram sina lögner.
Men något bevisat blir det inte.

/Gert
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Jämför med det här då, som inte va märkvärdigt alls tydligen!??.

February 13, 1975 fire

On February 13, 1975, the WTC North Tower was beset by a fire, which "burned at temperatures in excess of 700°C (1,292°F) for over three hours and spread over some 65 percent of the 11th floor, including the core, caused no serious structural damage to the steel structure. In particular, no trusses needed to be replaced."

Sources: New York Times, Saturday 15th February 1975
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center

har det "Vetenskapligt" värde eller?. 11:e våningen också jävlar vilket tryck dom sladdriga bjälkarna måste ha hållit uppe