http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgVDugSuPOo

här säger dom att vulkaner släpper ut mer än alla industrier, men sen har jag läst att det är tvärtom. vad är sant och vem kan man lita på? finns det nån pålitlig lista som visar på hur mycket olika saker släpper ut?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ob9WdbXx0&feature=related

här säger dom att det är människan som är tjuven i dramat. vem kan man lita på i denna fråga?

var säker på att allt är en stor scam men är det verkligen det?

Spelar det så stor roll, vad som släpper ut mest? Desto mer vulkaner släpper ut desto mindre kan människan släppa ut, rent logiskt.

Ett dåligt + ett dåligt = bra (fel)
Ett dåligt + ett dåligt = Dubbelt så illa (sant)

Gå ut och titta i naturen, åk till andra delar av världen. Så upptäcker man att människan har förgiftat och förstört stora delar av något som var en väldigt vacker planet. Det finns inte mycket skönhet kvar. Vår värld är förgiftad.

Vi har en planet, det säger sig självt att man inte kan plundra den som vi gör, det räcker kolla i sin egen soptunna för att förstå. Stackars våra barn, hur kan vi va så sjuka att vi överlämnar en soptipp till våra egna barn.

Världen har blivit galen.

Scamen är att vi blir hjärntvättade till att fortsätta konsumera som vi gör. Det är våra värderingar som måste ändras, och det ser dystert ut.

Ingen verkar tala om undervattensvulkaner som värmer upp haven. Finns tusentals vulkaner på havsbottnarna.

Vulkaner släpper ut med än industrier, ja.

Men haven släpper du störst del CO2, ca 40-50% om ja inte minns fel?
Och människan släpper ut ca 1% av ALL CO2 i atmosfären..

Men detta har inte med saken att göra, CO2 gör det kallare och ökar pga av att det blir varmare, inte tvärtom. Dvs, det har inte med klimatet att göra.

Människan påvärkar planeten på andra sätt, men tempraturen har alltid ändrats.

Då ska vi se igen, jag postar för femte gången från info jag har i ett dokument, det om vulkaner är med på flera ställen en bit ned -delvis fetat. Den fullständigt komatiske Loraxluringen deletade de tidigare postningarna, han har ju tagit bort många av mina inlägg - att vaken har"råd" att ha en sådan liten människa till admin.

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http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/ ... warming-mars-warming-well

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Hurricanes to Unleash Dormant, Hidden Power

Kerry Emanuel sparked a debate among his colleagues last year when he published a paper
http://www.livescience.com/forcesofna ... _hurricanes_stronger.html
that linked global warming to the trend of increasingly stronger Atlantic Ocean hurricanes observed in recent decades.


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3. Ionosphere fluctuations linked to sudden stratospheric warming

A significant portion of day-to-day variations in ionospheric parameters cannot be explained by major and relatively well understood drivers such as solar ionizing flux and geomagnetic activity. These unexplained variations constitute about 20 percent of the variability seen in the ionosphere's F region, which is where most of the atmosphere's plasma resides and acts as a dependable reflector for radio signals. Noting that some investigations have proposed that lower atmospheric processes account for this ionospheric variability, Goncharenko and Zhang study an episode of sudden stratospheric warming, which occurred in late January 2008 and lasted for about a week, and compare results with concurrent temperature fluctuations in the ionosphere and thermosphere as recorded by a ground-based radar. The authors find that ionospheric variations that could not be explained through the seasonal trends, solar flux, and geomagnetic activity are instead correlated with fluctuating temperatures in the stratosphere, demonstrating a link between the lower atmosphere and the ionosphere that has been previously unobserved. The authors conclude that studies of space weather should consider ionospheric variability in conjunction with stratospheric changes.

Title: Ionospheric signatures of sudden stratospheric warming: Ion temperature at middle latitude

Authors: Larisa Goncharenko and Shun-Rong Zhang: Haystack Observatory, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Westford, Massachusetts, U.S.A.

Source: Geophysical Research Letters (GRL) paper 10.1029/2008GL035684, 2008; http://dx.doi.org/10.1029/2008GL035684

+ andra artiklar:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-11/agu-ajh112808.php

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How Volcanic Activity Affects Climate - Both Cooling AND Warming

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/search- ... 5bd40d1e780b1e1dbaf3e623/

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Reality Check on AP Story on “Carbon Dioxide in Atmosphere Increasing”
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-bl ... n_atmosphere_increasing2/

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Another issue I want to emphasize has come about because of all of the concern regarding the low Arctic sea ice extent measured this fall. I can’t state this strongly enough… There is no correlation between arctic air temperatures and arctic sea ice. The air temperatures in the Arctic were warmer in 1940 than now. The sea ice extent began to diminish in 1950 as air temperatures were going DOWN. Read Craig’ full blog entry here.
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-bl ... ry_of_my_position_on_agw/

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Misleading Reports About Antarctica
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/politic ... rts_now_about_antarctica/

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Antarctica and Volcanism
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/antartica_and_volcanism/

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Thousand of new volcanoes revealed beneath the waves
The true extent to which the ocean bed is dotted with volcanoes has been revealed by researchers who have counted 201,055 underwater cones. This is over 10 times more than have been found before.

The team estimates that in total there could be about 3 million submarine volcanoes, 39,000 of which rise more than 1000 metres over the sea bed.

"The distribution of underwater volcanoes tells us something about what is happening in the centre of the Earth," says John Hillier of the University of Cambridge in the UK. That is because they give information about the flows of hot rock in the mantle beneath. "But the problem is that we cannot see through the water to count them," he says.

Satellites can detect volcanoes that are more than 1500 m high because the mass of the submerged mountains causes gravity to pull the water in around them. This creates domes on the ocean's surface that can be several metres high and can be detected from space.

Data overload
But there is a multitude of small volcanoes that have gone undetected. The only way of identifying them is to manually find their outline on sonar measurements taken from ships.

Since the late 1960s, research vessels have been criss-crossing the oceans using sonar instruments to measure the depth of the ocean floor. They have generated 40 million kilometres of linear profiles showing the topography of the ocean bed between 60° North - the latitude of southern Alaska - and 60° South - corresponding to the tip of Patagonia.

But until now, no one had been able to sift through them all. So, Hillier and a colleague designed a computer programme that was able to analyse the huge amount of data and identify volcano-like shapes in the sonar lines.

The programme found 201,055 volcanoes over 100m tall. Previously, satellite data had identified 14,164 volcanoes over 1500 m high.

Hillier then extrapolated the data to estimate how many volcanoes exist beyond the areas the research vessels sounded out. He estimates there are about 39,000 volcanoes that are higher than 1000 m, leaving nearly 25,000 yet to be directly discovered.

Surprising distribution
Hiller says he was surprised to find that the density of small volcanoes dropped in the area around Iceland, as Iceland is known to be a hotspot for volcanic activity.

Another surprise was that he found fewer volcanoes on the seabed around Hawaii, another volcanic hotspot. He says his findings may mean that researchers need to re-assess their understanding of how submarine volcanoes are formed.

In 2006, a team of researchers from Japan discovered a new type of volcano which also defied conventional theories of volcanism. The "petit-spot" volcanoes, aged between one to eight million years old, did not sit at tectonic plate boundaries or over volcanic hotspots (see New type of volcano fires imaginations).

Journal reference: Geophysical Research Letters (DOI: 10.1029/2007GL029874)

Mysteries of the Deep Sea -The deep sea is one of the harshest habitats on Earth, but is home to many remarkable creatures. Learn more in our comprehensive special report.

If you would like to reuse any content from New Scientist, either in print or online, please contact the syndication department first for permission. New Scientist does not own rights to photos, but there are a variety of licensing options available for use of articles and graphics we own the copyright to.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12218

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It's not Global Warming,
it's Ocean Warming

!!! http://www.iceagenow.com/Ocean_Warming.htm !!!

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Global warming may be caused by
underwater volcanoes

(Which I've been saying for years)

8 Dec 08 – A study by Gilbert Compo and Prashant Sardeshmukh of the University of Colorado and NOAA, and presented in the scientific journal Climate Dynamics, maintains that all of the greenhouse gases dumped into the atmosphere by humans over the last 46 years haven't affected land temperatures at all.

“The rise in land temperatures, the study states, can be tied directly to increased heat and humidity coming from warmer oceans, which in turn, the study admits, may be caused solely by natural forces.

“But if rising land temperatures are caused by rising ocean temperatures, what's causing the earth's seas to heat up?

Although admitting that it could be man-made, the study said that it could also be due to increased sun activity, underwater volcanoes or simply the earth's regular patterns.

"Although not a focus of this study," write Compo and Sardeshmukh, "the degree to which the oceans themselves have recently warmed due to increased GHG, other anthropogenic, natural solar and volcanic forcings, or internal multi-decadal climate variations is a matter of active investigation."

"A role for natural causes of at least some of the recent oceanic warming should not be ruled out."

See entire article by Drew Zahn, entitled
“Scientists find greenhouse gas hysteria to be myth”
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82829
Thanks to Tom Kadlec and Richard James for this link
http://www.iceagenow.com/Global_warmi ... _underwater_volcanoes.htm
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HEAT OF THE MOMENT
Scientists find greenhouse gas hysteria to be myth
'Global warming may not be occurring in quite the manner one might have imagined' WND



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Posted: December 06, 2008
12:05 am Eastern



By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily



Figures from the Compo and Sardeshmukh study

As dignitaries from around the world gather for the United Nations Climate Change Conference, attendees are unlikely to champion a recent study that demonstrates oceanic heat levels – and not man-made greenhouse gases – are to blame for increases in temperature on land.

An estimated 9,000 government, media and U.N. officials are meeting in Poznan, Poland, for the conference, discussing possible international action to combat global warming. According to media relations information provided by the conference, "Climate change is already happening, is unequivocal and this change can now be firmly attributed to human activity."

Not so fast, says a study released earlier this year by Gilbert Compo and Prashant Sardeshmukh of the University of Colorado and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and presented in the scientific journal Climate Dynamics.

According to Compo and Sardeshmukh's study, all the greenhouse gases humans have dumped in the atmosphere over the last 46 years – the primary factor most climate change proponents cite to blame humans for global warming – haven't affected land temperatures at all.

The rise in land temperatures, the study states, can be tied directly to increased heat and humidity coming from warmer oceans, which in turn, the study admits, may be caused solely by natural forces.

The results led the scientists to conclude, "Global warming may not be occurring in quite the manner one might have imagined."

(Story continues below)

The study's conclusions were based on models of land surface temperatures from 1960 to 2006. The scientists forced the models to project temperatures accounting for only the known rise in oceanic heat levels from that time and negating any effect of an increase in man-made greenhouse gases.

"The recent worldwide land warming has occurred largely in response to a worldwide warming of the oceans," concludes the study's abstract, "rather than as a direct response to increasing greenhouse gases (GHGs) over land."

The study continues, "Atmospheric model simulations of the last half-century with prescribed observed ocean temperature changes, but without prescribed GHG changes, account for most of the land warming."

In other words, the study found that rising land temperatures can be explained by increased warmth and, particularly, humidity from the oceans. Man-made greenhouse gases, the study found, haven't significantly affected land temperatures.

But if rising land temperatures are caused by rising ocean temperatures, what's causing the earth's seas to heat up?

The study admitted it could be anthropogenic, man-made, but it could also be due to increased sun activity, underwater volcanoes or simply the earth's regular patterns.

"Although not a focus of this study," write Compo and Sardeshmukh, "the degree to which the oceans themselves have recently warmed due to increased GHG, other anthropogenic, natural solar and volcanic forcings, or internal multi-decadal climate variations is a matter of active investigation."

Further, they write, "A role for natural causes of at least some of the recent oceanic warming should not be ruled out."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82829


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Top hurricane scientist cools to global warming
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Here's a partial list of climatologists
and other scientists who disagree
with the idea of anthropogenic
(human-caused) global warming

http://www.iceagenow.com/Climatologists_Who_Disagree.htm

http://www.longrangeweather.com/

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Could A New 'Ice Age' Be Just Around the Climatological Corner?
Recently, John Coleman, the founder of the Weather Channel, stated that, "manmade global warming is the GREATEST SCAM IN HISTORY!"

He went on to add, "I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by this theory of global warming based on fraudulent science."

He said this, folks, not me. (But, I certainly agree with Dr. Coleman.)

Coleman’s climatological opinion has been recently supported by a top observatory that has been measuring a rather dramatic decrease in sunspot activity. These scientists are predicting that global temperatures will drop by at least two degrees in the next 20 years.

Our friend, Robert Felix, author of "Not By Fire, But By Ice," believes that this significant cool down could possibly be the start of at least another "Little Ice Age," possibly a new GREAT ICE AGE, which is overdue following 11,500 years of generally warmer than normal global temperatures.

This latest period of naturally-occurring warming peaked a decade ago in 1998. It was the strongest such cycle of warming since the days of Leif Ericcson around 1,000 A.D. At the time, the mighty Vikings were actually farming parts of Greenland growing wheat, vegetables and raising cattle. They actually grew tomatoes and grapes!

Robert Felix gives this warning: "Living in the northern U.S. could eventually be hazardous to your health!"

He goes on to say, "the next major ice age could begin any day...next week, next month or next year." (Get that snowblower tuned-up.)

Felix believes that someday soon we’ll be "buried beneath nine stories of ice and snow as the bitter climate of Greenland descends upon Canada, Britain, Norway, Sweden, the U.S. and other northern regions --- practically overnight."

It’s all part of a dependable, predictable, natural cycle of climate that returns "like clockwork" every 11,500 years.

For more details, go to Mr. Felix’s website at: www.iceagenow.com.

The Winter of 2007-08 was one of the harshest worldwide in recorded history. The total extent of snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere at the end of February was at the highest level since the same period 42 years ago in 1966. The all-time record for extreme snow depths was during the winter of 1887-88.

According to my climatological colleagues in Britain, Japan and the U.S., the winter months of December 2007, January and February of 2008 were likewise the coldest as a whole since at least the late 1970s, in some cases dating back to either the 1930s or even the 1880s. One area of southeastern China claims that this exceptionally harsh winter of 2007-08 has been the "worst since 1210, nearly 800 years ago!"

The severe winter conditions killed at least 40% of the 2007-08 rapeseed crop (canola), a staple in China. This forced the Chinese to buy our record-high priced $15-a-bushel soybeans to stave off widespread food shortages. It’s now estimated that the cost of this disaster to the Chinese economy will easily exceed $4 billion. Southeastern China’s losses alone will top $2 billion.

Unusually heavy snowfalls during the last winter season closed many roads in Greece, Turkey, Syria and Iran. Some of the lowland regions in normally warm southern Iran reported their "first measurable snowfalls in living memory." In parts of Saudi Arabia, people were amazed when children actually found enough snow in one town to build a large snowman. Rare snows also fell in the lowland areas of Israel where they grow bananas! Cairo, Egypt likewise saw snow.

During the Winter of 2007-08, blizzards crippled much of Asia and Europe. Record snowfalls in Japan literally buried many cities causing death and injury to hundreds of persons. Canals and other waterways were closed in Europe due to severe icing conditions. Snow removal crews, in some cases, took nearly two full weeks to clear many roads in Germany, Austria and Poland. The Yorkshire Dales in Britain, normally a mild part of England, were hit by heavy snows and a "cascade of icicles" reminding local residents of the rough winters during World War II.

In the U.S., record snowfalls have hit more than 20 states this winter from Washington and Oregon eastward through Idaho, Iowa, Wisconsin and New England. Rare snows were seen as far south as northern Alabama in late February of 2008.

Furthermore, it’s not only the Northern Hemisphere that’s experiencing an unusual frigid period. We reported freak snows in July and August in 2007 in the Southern Hemisphere in places like Buenos Aires, Argentina, Sydney, Australia and even a few flakes were seen in Minas Gerais in Brazil for the first time in recorded history.

Last August 31, 2007, the total icepack in Antarctica was "the most extensive since such data began in 1979, at least 8% greater than at its lowest point in February of 1998." Icebergs were seen as far north as New Zealand.

According to Cambridge University scientists, the seven-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit drop in global temperatures in late 2007 and early 2008 has been the most pronounced plunge since the 1.2 degree dip in the year following the volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in June of 1991. They blame changes in the decrease in solar radiation for the current sudden cooling. It had nothing to do with rising carbon dioxide levels, one way or the other.

Global warming ‘skeptics’ are inevitably pointing to this harsh winter of 2007-08 as evidence that the planet’s temperatures are no longer rising as the carbon dioxide levels suggest would be the case. Several of my climatological peers are saying that "we’ve begun a period of global cooling that will soon reverse the 30-year uptrend in temperatures since 1978."

I agree with another climatologist friend, Paul Berenson, who stated on February 21:

"The truth is that it’s still much too early to draw any long-term conclusions from 2008's great freeze. But, it is indeed one of the most startling recent developments to have emerged in the world’s weather patterns for a long time. At the least, it was so unexpected. It raises important questions for millions of people worldwide whose lives have been seriously disrupted by this year’s freezes. To them, the concept of global warming must seem awfully remote."

By Climatologist Cliff Harris.

For more information, please email us at ContactUs@LongRangeWeather.com if you have any questions about the services available from Harris-Mann Climatology.

Se videon till höger med Robert Felix
http://www.longrangeweather.com/climate_change.htm

Ta ett glas vatten, lägg i lite is och markera vatten nivån. Ta sedan en hårtork (eller vänta) tills isen har smält och se att vatten nivån är den samma.

Tom. den mest puckade ser då på en gång att de pratar dynga.

Får väl hoppas dom tängt så långt att det är isen på land dom nojar för...

Men det har vart både mer och mindre is på jorden under perioder många många gånger tidigare, så det dom säger är ändå dynga.

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Varför ska man ens ta upp jämförelsen? (initialt alltså, syftar inte på ditt inlägg) Och om nu vulkaner släpper ut mer än alla industrier - skulle det rättfärdiga industriernas utsläpp? Vilka val finns? Förbjuda vulkaner? Resonemanget är detsamma som att en vaccinspruta tjatig) innehåller lika "lite" kvicksilver som en fisk i frysdisken, och att allt därför är helt i sin ordning. (man behöver inte ens bekymra sig över att vi äter giftig fisk)

finns det någon källa som säger att koldioxid gör det kallare och inte varmare som dom säger. för detta hade jag inte en aning om.
och förstår nästan inte vad dom tjänar på att ljuga o säga att det e vårat fel att det blir varmare. hörde att dom tänkte ta skatt på koldioxiden men vad vet jag =P

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