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Inte den jag låna väl

Han är en herde som lever på riktiga fittor, du är bara ett får som får nöja sig med plastic. Ok. Det är väl fullt möjligt och lägga upp korkade dum-fittor med vilket new age mumb-jumbo som helst, det spelar ingen roll om de begriper vad du säger eller inte eftersom de du attraherar begriper ingenting till att börja med.

Jo, fan maggot, det var den du la en pizza i då vå hade ätit svampomelett sist. Den har legat undanstuvad, och jag har tänkt slänga den, men nu kan ju frihetsguiden få ärva den fina klenoden, eller hur?

Skulle man säga hur det egentligen ligger till, då springer de runt och ylar och försöker dra en i skägget; perfekt illuminati hjärntvätt. Jag hoppas de får ett RFID-chip i pannan vilket de förtjänar. Men å andra sidan spelar det ingen roll, allt hänger på hurvida amerikanerna kommer att bjuda väpnat motsånd när (heheheh) Bush tillkännager NAU.

(Skulle man däremot mimikera deras rörelser och repetera deras favorit ord hela tiden så tar det 16 minuter innan man kan sätta på dem, hur billigt är det och är det inte som illuminati säger, kunskap är makt eller om man så vill, ipso scientia potentas)

gå och fiska någon annanstans än här, luciferian/satanist.

Du kan fiska bäst fan du vill (för min del, jag äger inte det här Co2, Chomskij COINTELPRO forumet), konvertera gärna Zink och alla hans alts, det är ingen förlust för mänskligheten, se till att han betalar ALLA sina stålar på kurser.

Kan man få honom att tro på all officiell smörja som han gör så behöver du bara stirra honom i ögonen utan att blinka så har du något att jobba med, något är ju dock ett psykfall, ett sådant som Micro vill festa med.

*Party* *Party*

Make love, not CO2 and fuck off.

Jag beklagar att jag blev pissed off men att tala om NWO och deras korruption men samtidigt lansera dess främsta mekanism att förslava en, dvs., Co2 bullshit, vilket är ett totalt bedrägeri, som det mesta irriterar mig jävligt mycket, det är ungefär som att säga att man är emot Waffen SS men för deras maskingevär.

Frihetsguiden, nu svamlar du igen om LSD, läs på lite, snälla, det blir ju bara pinsamt annars!

Visst har det förekommit personer som fått psykiska besvär då de tagit bl a LSD, men det beror inte på LSD:et, utan på att personen inte har den psykiska styrka att konfrontera upplevelsen av en LSD tripp. Det är väldokumenterat inom forskningen att de som far illa psykiskt av psykedelia, redan hade latenta psykiska åkommor, som förr eller senare hade kommit i dagen på naturlig väg. LSD trippen för dessa personer fick upp det sjuka till ytan med en gång.

Problemet här är att de som fått psykiska besvär inte hade en förmåga att konfrontera det material som kom upp till utan från det undermedvetna. Det är detta som gör att de upplevde psykiska besvär. Dessa besvär är övergående, och vad beträffar fallet med din sinnesjuke far så måste han redan varit psykiskt sjuk, men att sjukdomen inte hade blommat ut. Då han tog LSD kom skräpet upp till ytan, han kunde inte bearbeta det material som kom upp, utan valde då att bli sinnessjuk och blev därför också inspärrad på dårhus.

Frihetsguiden, du som säger dig ha magisterexamen inom etnologi, borde väl veta att människan har använt psykedeliska substanser sedan över 7000 år tillbaka, om inte ännu längre tillbaks.

Detta är mycket väldokumenterat. Det är bara att örja läsa. Jag kan rekommendera Terrence Mckenna till att börja med.

Du som är upplyst och pratar med planeter borde väl hålla dig lite upplyst och informerad. Säg bara till så kan jag upplysa dig!

Mäster Psilo...

Vad svamlar du om ditt puttefnask, har du foliehatten på dig nu eller,?...självklart har jag oerhört mycket fackkunskaper i ämnet, och egen erfarenhet, till skillnad från dig din mes!

Har du inga vettiga argument att komma med? Vart tog dina kunskaper vägen helt plötsligt? Du som har direktkontakt med gud och kan prata med planeter, har inga som helst argument att komma med i ämnet. Varken från studier i ämnet eller egen erfarenhet.

Frihetsguiden, du är ju bara en liten papegoja som upprepar något du hört eller läst,...utan att förstå vad du säger. Du upplyst...!(?) Ha ha ha ha ha...ja jag säger då det. Skäms du inte? Jag och många med mig skäms å dina vägar så det riktigt spänner och bultar i hela ansiktet.

Mäster Psilo...

Här är dock lite länkar så du kan läsa på lite och förhoppningsvis bli lite kultiverad och påläst...så folk slipper plågas av din dumhet.

http://www.alternativmedicin.se/sok/Beh-053.html

http://forskning.magiskamolekyler.org/index.html

http://forskning.magiskamolekyler.org/result.html

Den allenda rådande psykosen är implanterat, det är bara och titta på första bästa mundana idiot som du träffar. Fråga gärna om vad idioten tror om Fibernocci kurvor så får du svaret rakt av. Det den degenererade svenska folkstammen.

Sen om man träffar en "svensk nationalist, i allmänhet trevlig, men har svårt att definiera "nationalismen", något ni behöver jobba på (inget som en en amerikansk halv jude kan göra)

Fan, skulle blattar komma till det national-socialistiska Israel och säga vi vill bo här så skulle de få två val: Dra eller arkebusering.

Fast judisk national socialsim får man naturligtvis inte tala om,i alla fall inte till goyim, skulle man säga det till en äckel-zionist så skulle han tycka det var helt normalt, ni vet nationalism, sådant man tränar er att inte vara.

Däremot så är inte konspirationen judisk, den är global (den riktar sig tom. emot judar) så se upp. Judar råkar vara normala nationalister fast alla andra är fan sjuka i huvet och indirekt tjänar Vaticanen och City of London) Det finns tom. officellla dokument på att Vatikanen skulle ha suveränitet över staden; endast så de kan bygga sitt tempel åt lucifer och satan.

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Psilocyber! Vad tycker du när du hör någon som påstår sig veta allt och sedan använder lögner och överdrifter för att applicera dessa inre tankar på alla andra individer och enskilda händelseförlopp.

Du vet mycket väl att du inte har någon jävla forskning bakom dina ord som är värd namnet. Du kan inte i ena sekunden kritisera vitrockarna för att sedan använda deras värdelösa forskningsresultat i ditt resonemang, och speciellt inte på ett forum där många genomskådat den vita lögnen. Det enda de gång efter gång bevisar är att deras ekonomiskt finansierade forskning alltid styrs åt ett visst håll med ett vinstsyfte som underliggande orsak till att forskningen överhuvudtaget utförts.

Att detta ämne är känsligt och drar igång dina synapser enbart för att det ligger i ditt egenintresse visar du mer än tydligt, men att okritiskt gå in i den spelade rollen som professor Freud så fort någon snackar om LSD är bara löjligt.

Sedan när fick du tillåtelse att tala för varje individ eller händelseförlopp i detta universum?

Svara helst inte på den frågan för jag vet redan svaret. Du har haft andliga seanser med Errol Norstedt. Hur är det annars möjligt att skriva en så otroligt patetisk fras och sedan se sig själv i spegeln utan att dö av skrattkramper:

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Jag påstår inte att det du säger inte kan stämma emellanåt för då skulle jag bete mig lika infantilt korkat som du just gjorde. Emellanåt kan det säkerligen räcka med mycket mindre rus eller drogintag av betydligt snällare droger än syra för att somliga människor blir rastlösa och icke funktionella.

Men att som du påstå att man på distans i varje enskilt fall vet vad det handlar om är väl snarast världsrekord på att tangera Saida´s veckotidningsspådomar. Men det är väl knappast upp till ett orakel att veta om metabolism, trauma, synapsfel eller överaktivt serotonin påverkat situationen. Det inser väl till och med du din gamle träskalle!

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Ge den till han

Frihetsguiden och bumblebee, sen när ni sugit färdigt varandras kukar kan ni väl läsa på lite, eller?

Bumblebee, har du läs svårigheter eller är du bara trödfattad? Vad vet du om det hela din fjant? Varför blir du inte med i Narconon/scientologerna, eller varför inte bli en lärljunge till din nyfunna "guru" frihetsguiden?


Jag har dessvärre mycket forskningsresultat bakom mina påståenden, det är bara att läsa...

LSD-terapi

"I LSD-terapi kan man gå utanför sin egen personlighet och uppleva identitet med andra, ja med hela världsalltet. Medvetenheten vidgas bortom jagets vanliga gränser, och bortom rummets och tidens gränser."

Stanislav Grof är en välkänd tjeckiskamerikansk terapeut och medvetandeforskare. Han blev först bekant för sin forskning med den psykedeliska drogen LSD, som han inledde på 50-talet i Prag och sedan fortsatte på 60-talet i USA.

En upptäckt som Grof gjorde var att en del personer som gavs LSD fick transpersonella och religiösa upplevelser. (Transpersonella upplevelser går bortom jagets vanliga gränser och bortom gränserna för tid och rum.) De erfor till exempel död och återfödelse och möten med högre andliga väsen, med civilisationer i andra solsystem och med forntidsdjur.

Grof gav LSD bland annat till patienter som var obotligt sjuka i cancer. Syftet var att minska dessa personers fruktan för döden och lindra deras psykiska och fysiska smärta. Han ville ge den sjuke en mystisk upplevelse av död och återfödelse för att denne skulle få ett harmoniskt förhållande till sitt liv och till sin snart förestående död.

För en stor del av cancerpatienterna verkade LSD-terapin mycket bra. Många fick ett helt harmoniskt förhållande till döden och ett djupt fridfullt accepterande av sitt öde, varvid de inte längre fann döden meningslös och grym, utan såg den som en meningsfull tilldragelse i ett större och mer omfattande kosmiskt-religiöst sammanhang. Det var inte ovanligt att cancerpatienter betecknade sina upplevelser i LSD-terapin som det viktigaste som hänt i deras liv och förklarade att de inte längre var rädda för att dö.

I många fall ledde också LSD-terapin till att de cancersjukas fysiska smärtor upphörde eller lindrades.

Grof redogör för LSD-terapin i sin bok "Människans okända världar. Utforskning av det omedvetna genom LSD-terapi" (1975, svensk översättning 1977).

Idag arbetar inte Grof med LSD, utan med en viss andningsteknik, som ger likartade upplevelser som drogen. Samma egenartade minnen kommer upp med intensivandning som med LSD-terapi, bland annat vad som förefaller vara minnen från tidigare liv. Sådana minnen har terapeutiskt värde, eftersom återupplevelse av händelser i en föregående inkarnation kan leda till att vissa problem i nuet försvinner.

Både LSD och andningstekniken för människan ner till mycket djupa omedvetna nivåer, vilket är nödvändigt, anser Grof (1975) om man vill åstadkomma positiva förändringar i personligheten. Det omedvetna är en mycket viktig del av vårt själsliv, viktigt för vilka vi är och vilket samhälle vi skapar.

Det finns mystiska dimensioner av tillvaron, vilka i allmänhet negligeras av västerlandets vetenskapsmän, psykologer och läkare, understryker Grof (1975). Denna försummelse leder till att västerlandets vanliga terapiformer är ytliga och ofta otillräckliga. De kan på det intellektuella planet ge en förståelse för en del av de psykiska problemen, men de ger ingen möjlighet till djup insikt och verklig befrielse genom känsloutlevelse. Med andningstekniken, liksom med LSD, får man enligt Grofs erfarenhet en förståelse för personlighetens allra djupaste skikt, vilket kan verka läkande.


Många människor har fått sin uppfattning av verkligheten och sin livssyn i grunden förändrade, sedan de tagit LSD. De har exempelvis upplevt förening med kosmos och det individuella jagets död.

Några röster ur "Människans okända världar":

"Jag var kosmos."

"Allt i detta universum föreföll vara medvetet."

"Jag förlorade känslan av individualitet, mitt jag upplöstes och jag blev ett existerande."

"Fortfarande kände jag mycket starkt att alla människor är en och densamma och att livets flod flyter in i Gud och att det inte finns någon skillnad mellan människor - vi är alla en och densamma."


Det fanns, med början på 60-talet, en psykedelisk rörelse, knuten bland annat till användningen av LSD. Dess mest kände företrädare var förre filosofiprofessorn vid Harvarduniversitetet Timothy Leary. (Han fick tillsammans med ett par kolleger sparken, sedan han gett LSD till studenter, och dömdes senare till flera års fängelse.) De upplevelser han hade under LSD-påverkan förändrade hans uppfattning av livet. Leary ansåg att drogen gav en människa tillgång till transcendentala nivåer av medvetandet. Han såg likheterna med österländsk religion och kom att tro på sanningen i vissa hinduiska grundtankar.

För Leary var LSD ett sakrament, och drogen skulle intas under strikt kontrollerade förhållanden.

Idag är det, såvitt bekant, tyst om LSD. Det är kanske lika gott, eftersom psykedeliska droger kan vara farliga att använda för den med sköra psyken. Men det är intressant att läsa om experiment som har gjorts.


Som sagt, bumblebee, det finns hur mycket forskningsresultat som helst som stödjer det jag säger - din idiot!

Läs på för helvete...

Hela den moderna droglulturen och dess "utveckling" av nya droger likt LSD är ju ett Illuminatipåfund i från början!

Alan Watt och även den avhoppade Illuminaten Lea Zagami visar ju på att bl.a under Woodstock festivalen så var det massvis med CIA-anställda som såg till att sprida de "nya" drogerna till ett billigt pris till alla "Flower-power"-nissar för att på så sätt frambringa den degenerering av kulturen de så hett eftertraktat och som deras företrädande författare likt, Bertrand Russel, Brödera Huxley och andra pratat och skrivit om i sina böcker ändra sedan början av seklet.

MkUltra-projektet som CIA drev på 50-60 talen var ju utarbetat för att förvirra och göra experimentpersonerna hjärntvättade framförallt med LSD intag på amerikanska soldater.i

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Timothy Leary and the CIA or The Spy Who Came In From the (Ergot) Mold /By W.H. Bowart

The Associated Press reported that '60's LSD proselyte, Timothy Leary died in his sleep, May 31, 1996. It reported that Carol Rosin, his friend for 25 years was by his side along with family and friends.

Rosin told the AP: "He had been alert for the last few days -- he'd been traveling with one foot in this world and one foot in the other world. Until yesterday, he was moving around in an electric wheelchair, but he was getting weaker.

After his passing, Leary's homepage on the World Wide Web said simply: "Timothy has passed." It also said his last words were three "why not's" and one "yeah." Leary himself, had reported that he was taking morphine to ease the pain for months. It is well know that Leary had always been into drugs -- any drugs, all drugs, both prescription and recreational.

An Intensive Care Nurse read the internet reports of his death. It said his last words were "why not", "why not", "why not" in several different tones , and his final word was "yeah.'

"I've seen a lot of people die with cancer," the ICU nurse said. (For obvious reasons she does not want to be identified.) "It's very painful to die that way. From all report's Leary's death must have been a mophine assisted death.

"The final script probably went like this: ' Timothy do you want a shot of morphine to ease your pain?'

" And he answered, 'Why not?'

" A little while later whoever was administering the morphine checked on him, asking him, 'Would you like a little more morphine?'

"And he answered, 'Why not?'

"After an interval, the morphine admistrator asked, 'How about some more morphine?'

"And Leary answered, 'Why not?'

"After that they asked, "I'll bet you're feeling no pain now?'

"And, just before the morphine paralyzed his cardio-pulminary system, he replied, "Yeah."

So Timothy Leary finally fulfilled the prophecy in the Moody Blues tune,"Legend of a Mind." At least he fulfilled the first phrase: "Timothy Leary's dead.... Oh, no no no, no no no nooo, he's on the outside looking in..." More on that later.

A couple of millionaire movie producers who put up thousands of dollars for Timothy Leary's escape are sad and disappointed. An army of middle aged acid-heads and flower children who contributed thousands more to the Timothy Leary Defense Fund, and other funds which were supposed to help Tim beat a rap or get out of jail are in deep mourning.

But somewhere, in Heaven, in Hell, in the great cosmic void, or confronting a fearsome isn'tness Timothy Leary is probably grinning at them. The glib Boston Irishman conned them all. They paid for what the government did without their funds -- arrange Leary's "escape" in 1970 from Vacaville prison, and his tour of Algeria, Switzerland, and Afghanistan. At least, that's a logical conclusion you could draw from an interview he gave in 1977.

After he returned to the United States in 1973 it is said that he was assigned to solitary confinement next to a "hole mate" who quoted the bible in a booming voice. This "Born Again Christian" was none other than Charles Manson. Leary left his "Turn on , tune in, drop out" campaign behind in prison, he became a self- styled prophet of "Life Extension" and "Space Exploration," "Cyronics" and finally "Cyberspace." All these, he said in turn with great enthusiasm, were where it was at! He had been arrested by G. Gordon Liddy in 1965 at the Deitrich estate in Millbrook, N.Y. He was photographed with a big smile going into the Duchess County jail. Almost twenty years later he was debating Liddy on the college lecture circuit (receiving a minimum of $2,500 per appearance) still wearing that same smile.

That smile was his trademark. It was a smile which masked his vacuity and desperation. It was the smile of a pretender. The smile of a failed husband and father. "Half a song and half a gag," was how writer Alan Harrington's wife, Luba, once described Leary. He was an academically disgraced psychologist who wrote one serious book, Interpersonal Diagnosis of Personality, which today stimulates the same interest from the scientific community as does phrenology. While some people thought he was a prophet of the new age, he was, deep inside himself, a cast-off CIA asset who died without purpose, fluttering like a hang-glider trying to fly in windless air without the propeller of a cause to lift it.

He did not go with a "Bang" nor a "Whimper." He did not rage against the dying of the light. He did not die with a smile on his face, as he had lived, even in utmost tragedy, such as when his first wife, and then his only daughter commited suicide. Leary lived to the ripe old age of 75, then he died of natural cuases. He was not assassinated by one of his many enemies. That is success.

The last time I saw Leary was in Tucson, Arizona where he came for a lecture in support of the L-5 Society, a group which promoted private enterprise in space. Leary phoned me and asked to see me about an "urgent matter." The matter, turned out to be not that urgent, but very interesting.

Leary wanted to explain himself more completely about a series of letters we'd exchanged during his last days in prison, letters in which he denied that he had received any support from the CIA or other clandestine agencies of government in his psychedelic campaign of the 1960's.

While doing research for my book, Operation Mind Control (originally published in 1978), I'd come across a CIA document with Leary's name on it. The CIA memo directed agents to contact Leary and company, who were then operating an organization called International Federation for Internal Freedom ( IFIF). The memo asked its agents to discover if any agency personnel were taking acid with this group. The CIA wanted to determine what IFIF really knew about what was then billed as "the most powerful drug known to man," LSD, a drug which the agency was experimenting with in an attempt to create mind controlled zombies.

Another, earlier similar CIA document I found ordered agents to contact Aldous Huxley for the same reason. There were no follow-up documents to indicate whether the CIA had, or had not, made contact in either instance. Still, other documents indicated that Leary had received money channeled by the CIA through various government agencies. The files showed that, in all, there were eight government grants paid to Leary from 1953 to 1958, most of them paid through the National Institute of Mental Health, now known to have "fronted" for the CIA in the MKULTRA program.

My letters to Leary had been straight forward. I asked him to explain his apparent long romance with the cryptocracy. I further wanted to know if, as the press had reported, he had become a witness for the government in a number of drug cases. Was he, I asked, a government snitch?

In July, 1976, writing from prison, Leary flatly denied that the government had contributed to his psychedelic research. He claimed that "nobody ever went to jail because of any testimony" he might have given.

He explained that he had never used any form of Behavior Modification in his experiments, although a title of one of his papers had been, "How to Change Behavior." He told me I could find out whether his grants were CIA connected by writing NIMH and Harvard.

He said, writing to me from jail, that if they were covertly CIA funded he had no knowledge of it.

A letter from Bertram Brown, Director of NIMH, neither confirmed nor denied that NIMH had supported Leary's research. Brown did say that Harvard had received grants for drug research, but NIMH record keeping did not permit knowledge below the "major institution level." Harvard said it could not find its records on Leary's research there, as it was too far in the past. (This was in 1977.)

Joanna (Harcourt-Smith) Leary and a coworker told me that they had tried to contact Leary for several months when he was in Folsom and he could not be found. After normal attempts through prison authorities had failed to locate him, they took their case to the press and gathered a number of famous persons to sign a petition protesting the disappearance of the Pope of Dope.

Joanna told me that, after the outcry in the media had grown loud, prison authorities quickly "located" Leary and allowed her to visit him. She said that when, at last, she sat across the prison table from him, separated by a pane of thick glass, he looked very pale. She said he had his head completely shaved, had bruises on his body, and didn't seem like the man she'd known before.

Before he was released from prison, I wrote him to ask if he had been mistreated in prison or subjected to aversive therapy or any other form of behavior modification. Leary said that he had never been mistreated at the Vacaville California Medical Facility. He wrote that the administration of Vacaville "probably ranks with the most enlightened in the country."

His "enlightened facility was where horrendous experiments such as "anectine therapy" had been conducted on non-volunteer inmates under CIA covert guidance. Anectine stops the respiratory functions of the body and the "subject" feels as if they are dying. An attendant must keep them breathing with a machine. As the panic sets in when the involuntary muscles quit, an attendant says, "This is what will happen if you break the law ." And just before the "subject" loses consciousness, the respiratory is turned on the the "subject" is brought back from the brink of death.

In following correspondence I explained to Leary what I'd found: that the CIA was the world's largest consumer of Sandoz LSD; that they'd worked with the Bureau of Narcotics, the NIMH, LEAA and other agencies to covertly give LSD to unwitting persons in "real life settings."

Leary's answer to that was that he did not think the CIA experimentation with LSD was very ominous. His conclusion was, "based on my fifteen years of confrontation on the front lines of the struggle ( individual freedom vs state control) are these: "--govt 'behavior mod programs' were trivial, peripheral, more benign than evil, ineffective, silly, and never a part of any basic policy..."

He called me a "prosecutor" and said that he was disappointed that I saw corruption and conspiracy within our government. He railed about "liberal paranoia" saying that it "is a thousand times more effective and pervasive than 'right wing' scientific efforts." He said that "ninety-nine percent of all psychologists are liberals. All prisons are networks of suspicion. There is no behavior mod conspiracy. Such rumors spread among the liberal community are dangerous because they distract attention from the real problem -- that the Law Enforcement establishment does not want to alter behavior..."

When I finally sat with Leary in Tucson, we renewed acquaintances. A couple of his old friends were at our house when he visited and he was glad to see them. Since I'd last seen him, almost ten years before, his nose appeared to have been broken and his dentures no longer fit. All agreed, after he left, that this was not the same man we'd known before he'd gone to prison. We couldn't tell if he'd changed because of the normal prison brutality, or because he was under some great pressures or had been tortured. In those days nobody believed in mind control. Few knew of the clandestine experiments on U.S. citizens which were run against their will and without their knowledge.

The first thought I had when seeing the altered Leary was, "He's been the victim of one of the secret prison mind control programs."

We drank wine and talked lightly about news of mutual friends. Finally he insisted that he and I go to a quiet place and make a tape recorded interview. I'd just finished Operation Mind Control and had sent it of to the publisher. It was too late to get anything new into it and, I told Tim, that frankly I was weary of the subject. He insisted that we tape an interview.

"I'll tell you things I've never told anyone before," he said. I couldn't resist such a journalistic temptation, so we went to my office with our glasses and turned on the tape recorder.

He started by congratulating me for breaking the CIA-mind control story. I couldn't take full credit for that, but I listened, accepting his compliments for the three of us who'd been working on the mind control case for a few years.

"The game you're playing, and the stakes at which you're gambling... you may be wrong ninety-nine times, but if you're right once, you've won a billion, or whatever you're playing for, so keep going..."

I certainly wasn't playing for the money. The stakes were higher. These stakes were no less than freedom of human thought and perhaps the remnants of democracy in the world. But maybe I was naive. Maybe I should write screenplays and make some money instead of running around the country researching the victims of CIA mind control experiments conducted in the streets of New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles and other cities, as well as in prisons, mental hospitals, in the ranks of the military services, on unwitting and unvolunteering men women and children.

"The contract I'm making with you," Leary said, " is, I never lie. I'm wrong a lot of the time, but I'm going to tell you everything you ask me. I'm not going to hide anything. On the other hand, and there is no question that I want to ask you... on the other hand I want to know things..."

So, it was to be quid pro quo then?

I agreed to share any information I had with him on the CIA's involvement with drugs and mind control, but I told him, fact was, everything I knew, except the personal details of certain survivors, had already been made public. "Have you ever knowingly worked for the CIA?" I asked.

"If I were working for the CIA," he said, " I would have ten people working making a living exposing me. If I were the CIA, I'd own New Republic. I'd own The New Masses. I'd own Rolling Stone. I'd have 50 groups of people exposing the CIA..." "Do you think CIA people were involved in your group in the sixties?" I asked. Without hesitating Leary said, "Of course they were. I would say that eighty percent of my movements, eighty percent of the decisions I made were suggested to me by CIA people...

"I like the CIA!" he said. "The game they're playing is better than the FBI. Better than the Saigon police. Better than Franco's police. Better than the Israeli police. They're a thousand times better than the KGB. So it comes down to: who are you going to work for? The Yankees or the Dodgers?"

Leary had this in common with people I knew at the Mellon Bank. Baseball metaphors. Heavy baseball metaphors, same as Nixon used. I'd heard Leary use them since I met him in 1965. I wondered if it was just a coincidence?

Leary drank his wine and drifted a bit, talking about his current favorite subject, outer space. I brought the conversation back to the subject of mind control, telling Leary some of the details I'd learned about the CIA's use of drugs for thirty years in their attempt to find the perfect "recruitment pill, aphrodisiac, and amnesia drug." I explained the magnitude of the story and I told him that, based on my interviews with survivors of the experiments and psycho scientists who'd done some of them, I had to conclude that the CIA had long ago reached their goal of creating the perfect security device short of assassination -- one which controlled the human mind.

I told Leary that, based on some of the documents I'd read, it seemed that he could have been just one of many scientist who'd been used without his knowledge by the CIA to conduct their mind control experiments.

"I've known this for ten years," Leary said.

"You were witting of it?" I asked in surprise.

"Of course," Leary said, leaning back in his chair with confidence.

I couldn't believe my ears. The CIA had created the "Psychedelic Sixties" with Timothy Leary's help?

"You were wittingly used by the CIA?" I asked again. "...During the sixties? You knew you were being used by the CIA?"

"Wait," Leary said. "When you say CIA, it's like saying Niggers...
"I knew I was being used by the intelligence agents of this country."

"What were you doing for them?" I asked. "What the hell were you doing?
"Did they want you to turn the kids on, huh? Were they trying to make the kids see God and leave the Vietnam war alone?"

"Walter, are you starting off into nationalism..." Leary said, trying to put me on the defensive -- exhibiting his fatal character flaw -- sold on himself as a master psychologist, a master manipulator.

"I'm asking you what was the CIA's motive? What were you used for?" I said again.

"The CIA recognized what you probably haven't recognized yet, that I'm a very important national asset...
"What can I say,?" Leary said.

That was Leary. He believed his own press releases.

He lit his half-smoked joint and continued. "Yeah. I saw in nineteen sixty-two or three, that there was a world struggle for the control of minds. That's a crude way to say it...
"I saw, after Hiroshima, there would never be a big world war. World war would be at the neurological level, not at the level of tanks and planes and bombs...

"I proceeded as an intelligence agent since 1962, understanding that the next war for control of this planet and beyond, had to do with the control of consciousness. So I had to think very carefully about that...

"I wanted my side to win the war...
"There's no winning or losing... but I wanted my side to stake out enough territory....

"I'm talking about time territory, not space territory....
"Of course, you need enough space territory to get your time to make sure that the particular version of the territory of consciousness I would be represented in... I believed, after studying all the other versions, that my philosophy of the future... skip philosophy... my Clausewitz tactics and strategy, or my natural chauvinistic consciousness commitments were very fierce and strong...

"I wanted my species to be recognized, understood and have a strong single voice in creating the reality of the future...
"I wanted to create a segment of the future which I felt I would be the spokesman for..."

I let him talk. When he paused to catch his thought which had drifted away on a puff of muggles, I repeated the question: "Did you ever wittingly work for the CIA?"

"Yes," he answered strongly. "I was a witting agent of the CIA, but, I'm not a willing agent of Nixon! I did everything in my power to throw out Nixon!" (So, it would appear, did the CIA.)

"I'm a witting agent in that I think Roosevelt was a disaster, but historically necessary.... So, pin me down and I'll tell you exactly what I'm doing for the CIA," he said.

"What are you doing for the CIA?" I said, disbelieving everything he said.

"I'm raising the intelligence of an elite... a very elite group of Americans," he said. "So I think the future of freedom depends on a very small group of people who are smart enough to defend that liberty..."

"So, you work for the Central Intelligence Agency?" I asked. "Is it the Deputy Director of Plans you work for? Who makes out your checks?"

"It's none of your business to know how those things work. I'll answer you no questions that have to do with business. I'll answer you any question about history or people..."

He drifted off into a monologue talking about neurological cosmology, his outer space connections. Again I brought the conversation back to the central question again :" What year did you start working for the CIA?"

"Well, I never worked in the sense that nobody ever came to me and said would you work for the CIA..."

"Nobody recruited you?" I asked.

"No, nobody ever recruited me. People came and advised me to do this or that. I didn't know that I was being advised by the CIA. I assume now, that I was being advised by the CIA..."

"But a moment ago you did say that you knew at the time. You said that you were wittingly working for the CIA..."

"Don't you understand," Leary barked, "I'm talking about a very narrow segment of CIA activity which has to do with personality assessment. The OSS was the forerunner of CIA mind stuff... OSS founded... Howard Murray, who was the head of the OSS, the started the personality research. MacKinnon who was OSS, started personality assessment research, so that all personality assessment in the 1950's was basically CIA initiated..."

Later research disclosed the Donald W. MacKinnon, Ph.D. (Bryn Mawr College) and Henry A. Murray, M.C., Ph.D., Lt. Col. (Harvard) were among 74 OSS staff members who worked to develop personality assessment techniques which are still used to select employees of the CIA and other intelligence agencies.

"Good grief," I said. "I knew they supported Dr. Rhine's ESP experiments at Duke University..."

"I didn't know that," Leary said. "But I think they should have..." and finally the wine began to take effect and the interview degenerated into speculation about CIA's activities in various LSD research projects. Leary was curious about several of them and he asked me to see if I could dig up some information for him. Leary asked me about other LSD researchers of the early days. He wanted to know about Walter Pankhe and he was especially interested in the Chez. psychiatrist Stanislav Grof, who, he said, had been brought from behind the "Iron Curtain" to the U.S. to run one of the only official "LSD Research Projects."

At one point in the conversation Leary told me he had talked at length with Al Larkin, a reporter for the Boston Globe which had been investigating his research at Harvard looking for the CIA link.

"Al Larkin told me that the guy that led me to get fired from Harvard was a man named Herbert Chanoch Kelman... Does that name mean anything to you?" Leary asked.

I called Larkin the next day and he admitted that he'd been investigating Leary's involvement with CIA and Harvard since the MKULTRA story had local interest. (Harvard is in Boston.)

"I was in the process of pursuing a number of different avenues," Larkin said, " pursuing the possibility of some of Timothy's money coming through one of the organizations established as a front for CIA money I talked to him about it at that time and he said he had no knowledge of it, although the time span of the two things did coincide.

"I was particularly interested in a project Leary did at the Concord Reformatory, since it was very similar to some of the projects funded by the CIA. It did fit into the proper frame... I was unable to get any records on the Concord Project. I did talk to one of the people who was very closely involved with the MKULTRA research in Massachusetts. I mentioned Leary's name, and the guy almost became livid, as any good CIA patriot should. He said, 'We would never have given anything to him!'"

Larkin said the man's name was Dr. Robert Lashbrook who was number two in the MKULTRA experiments which consumed tens of thousands of unwitting human guinea pigs, causing at least one known death to a non-volunteer victim. Lashbrook was given immunity to testify before Kennedy's congressional committee investigating the CIA's mind control operations.

I relayed to Larkin the details of my interview with Leary. If what Leary had told me was true, it looked like the CIA, then, had made a large contribution to the creation of the Psychedelic Sixties.

"Let me ask you a couple of questions which really shouldn't be repeated," Larkin said. "What is Leary's financial condition right now?"

"I haven't the slightest idea. Why?

"The reason I raised it, he mentioned, two months ago, that he was writing a piece for The New York Times on this topic. He said that he hoped to sell it to The Times on the MKULTRA project.

"I never saw the piece, and I talked to him a few weeks ago and he said, he was talking to someone at Esquire about it. He said, 'I think I'm going to write a piece for them on this, cause I need the money..."

"Then it occurred to me," Larkin said, "that Timothy Leary, who had very little interest in my initial questions about his involvement, suddenly had become interested and may have seen it as a way to establish some credibility for his writing about this. In other words, he realized when The Times didn't want his piece, so he had to enhance his credibility somehow and maybe do it by dropping a hint to you, and then suggesting that you call me. I have a message here that says that I am to call him. He may be wanting to tell me to call you. You see what I'm driving at?'

I told Larkin that I'd played my interview with Leary to several of his friends who all concluded that, because of the contradictions, Leary was not telling the truth. One of the things he said on the tape was "FBI" when he clearly meant to say "CIA."

"He said that you (Larkin) found out that this doctor named Herb Kelman had been responsible for him getting thrown out of Harvard. Leary said that you found out Kelman was a CIA man. Is that true?"

"No. No.,," Larkin said. "He's misinterpreting what I said. Leary told me that Kelman led the fight to get him thrown out of Harvard. I found out that Kelman got a thousand dollars from the Human Ecology Fund, a CIA fund. So, I called Kelman and said to him 'what was your role in the removal of Leary?' He admitted that he played a role in it and he said, 'I didn't like what Leary was doing. I was opposed to human experimentation. I was opposed to giving drugs to undergraduates and I knew that he was doing it.'

"Kelman said, 'I was a young researcher then, and I didn't carry a lot of weight but I was outspoken. And when the furor died down somewhat I continued to argue for it to reemerge.'

So I said to Kelman, "What about this money?'"

Kelman said that he didn't know the Human Ecology Fund was a fund set up by the CIA and he was very up-front about it -- he said that he had been editing a book for a small private organization and before it could go to print he had to bring the authors together in Cambridge and the organization which was sponsoring the book didn't have any more money and he needed the thousand dollars and he went to talk to a guy named Edgar Schein..."

Schein was one of the leading investigators during the Korean war into the 'brainwashing' hoax. Schein knowingly worked for the CIA.

"He'd told Kelman to go to the Human Ecology Fund and he wrote a letter for him... but no one ever asked Kelman to do anything. According to him, the book had nothing to do with the areas which would interest the CIA, it seems to me to be obviously one of those small cover projects they had to do to maintain their credibility in academia... So Leary's interpretation of the thing is a little bit more... hardcore..."

For some months that's where this story stood -- unfinished, in limbo. I didn't even bother to transcribe the interviews. Then the first coincidence -- certain proof of the cryptocracy's ongoing Agit Prop operation: A cell mate of Leary's was located. He said that when Leary came back from his escape he was very frightened.

"In Vacaville, he had one of the best positions. He was working in the education wing. He was making it with a pretty little blonde nurse... He was writing and doing meditation, but he was running scared. He was scared behind the Panthers in there... The way the CIA got Tim out of Algeria was they told him that Eldridge Cleaver wanted to kill him, that's why Tim left..."

This cell mate of Leary's wanted to be identified only as Yogi. He said that Leary had some "heavy" friends in prison who protected him.

"But he let everyone down. It's a well known fact that they took him out at night -- the Feds did. Before he was testifying, they had Federal guards with him at all times. In the end he was in protective custody... When he was in prison no one knew he was a stool pigeon. He was a hero. He was living on his rep that he was the head Boo-Hoo of the acid freaks. That was enough to protect him by the heavy hippies who looked up to him.

"All of a sudden they took Timmy out at night.
"Usually, when you go somewhere, you go by bus, but the Feds took him by car. They stayed with him at all times. That's when we began to suspect that he was working with the Feds...

"He still was Chief Boo-Hoo to most in prison. But then the word came down that he was testifying on Weathermen, and he even gave up his own lawyer and turned over the people who helped him get out of the country. He was giving out who was who in the groups, what they were doing, smuggling and narcotics... He gave up all that... they'd take him down to custody and they'd talk to him. Obviously, they told him, 'If you want to get out of here... if you don't give us what we want to know, we're going to make sure that you die in prison!'

"It was too much for him. I know that they were coming regularly to make him turn over on his own daughter. He could have gone out in style. He could have helped a lot of people... Then everybody found out he was a fucking weak punk.

"I don't know anyone who really respects him. That's why I told you the other night, I told you to tell him about me and see how he reacts. He knows me as Yogi, the guy who brought him the note from Nick (Sands?) in San Francisco. He used to go to the 3HO Yoga classes there...

"That was a beautiful day. Ram Das came and all of us was there. Tim didn't even have enough class to show up. He said that Ram Das was a child molester and he didn't even want to talk to him..."

"Could Leary have been working with the CIA or FBI during the whole 6time he was in prison," I asked Yogi. "Before his escape, and before he came back to prison?"

"He sure could," Yogi said. "He had to be something because to turn over like that, with the rep he had with all the beautiful people... I know he got a lot of people started on the spiritual path. He helped a lot of people get into meditation and yoga... He gained a lot of good karma for that, but he's going to need it.

"I really felt bad that someone who got so many people on the spiritual path was so weak in the end. I can't judge. I still got that joint consciousness. He's a rat and that's that. Let God take care of him. He had to do it the weak way. All my partners and all the people I knew in the joint, everyone felt the same way..."

I transcribed no tapes. Yogi's testimony was just hearsay -- the talk of a convict. The second coincidence came: I was introduced to Leary's cell mate in Folsom. Again this man doesn't want to be identified. Both men said that they would, however, come forth to back me up if I ever needed them.

This second former convict has also gone straight and wants to protect his name. He was then the head of his own construction company and was making more money honestly, than he ever made at crime.

This man, we'll call him Ray, spoke of the period when Tim could not be found by his wife, Joanna. He said that one day Leary was returned to their cell with his head shaved and blue lines painted on it.

"Tim got just about the whole works. He was a different type of case than I was. They felt that they could use him a lot more than someone like me. I was an unknown, but if they could turn someone like Leary around and get him to do what he's doing right now, in fact, he'd be very useful to the government... the high priest had to be de-throned.

"Tim is a very fascinating person. There is only a handful of people who did what he did -- who took a whole generation and turned them on. That was the challenge to the Feds, if they could find out how his mind worked, and use him...

"Well, one day he comes back to the cell with lines on his head. They were actually very precise measurement lines. His head was shaved and it was marked with all these careful, precise blue lines.

"I asked him what the lines were for. He told me that they were going to give him a lobotomy. They were going to stick ice picks into his brain. He told me that it was really going to be great. They had him completely brainwashed. He said, 'this is going to be the greatest thing. All my life I've been going through this, you get up, you get down, but now, ' he said, 'I'll be just as smart as I am, but I won't have to feel emotions any more. Wow!'"

"You think they broke him?" I asked.

"Totally controlled him. They gave him a lot of those fright drugs. They kept him in solitary. They did everything they could to break his mind, and they succeeded. Look at him now..."

"Suddenly he tells me he worked for the CIA for years," I said.

"Well, that may be one of their defenses. In other words, by admitting what you did, nobody believes it and it makes you look ridiculous. When they're done with you -- and I've been through a lot of their drugs and tortures -- at a certain state, you're really like a zombie. You're so conditioned chemically that a guy isn't even aware of what's happened. Leary bought the whole thing. They really have gotten good at it. You know, nobody is going to believe us..."

Then they didn't, but will they now?

"Leary never would have gotten out of prison," Ray said. "He'd either bend or they'd break him. No matter how sympathetic you may be, to really understand the situation, you have to go through it yourself. You say, well they couldn't break me. I wouldn't do it. It just couldn't happen.

"But believe me, we are like just so much putty and clay and we can just stand so much, and when they're finished with the mind control, it's almost impossible to tell..."

Still Ray's was just the testimony of another ex-con. While the testimony of his prisonmates was merely hearsay, at least they appeared to believed what they said. Leary, it seemed, believed nothing.

Even after 20 years these questions remain: Did Leary work for the CIA in the 1960's. If he did, why did he admit it? Was he proselytizing LSD during the '60's under CIA direction? Was Leary's escape from Vacaville, allegedly with the help of Cubans and Weather Underground, encouraged by the U.S. government so that Leary could later 'finger' those who helped him? Was his sojourn in Algeria with Cleaver, and in Switzerland, then Afghanistan also CIA directed.

One CIA document was dated 1 November 1963. It was headed:" MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD. SUBJECT: International Federation for Internal Freedom (IFIF), ALPERT, Richard, Ph.D., LEARY, Timothy F., Ph.D., Drugs, Mind Affecting, Agency Policy Regarding."

The last two paragraphs of that memo, now thirty-three years old, remain unanswered: The CIA Security Office (OS) "has not been able to determine whether any staff employees of the Agency have engaged in the unauthorized taking of any of these drugs, but there is information that some nonagency groups, particularly on the West Coast, have taken these drugs in a type of religious experimentation. While as previously mentioned there are no staff employees involved, some individuals known to have taken the drugs have sensitive security clearances and are engaged in classified work.

"Any information concerning the use of this type of drug for experimental or personal reasons should be reported immediately to Chief/SRS/OS (Office of Security) with all specific details furnished. In addition, any information of Agency personnel involved with the International Federation for Internal Freedom, or with Drs. ALPERT or LEARY, or with any group engaging in this type of activity should also be reported."

The memo was signed, "Chief/SRS/OS."

No follow-up was furnished in the CIA MKULTRA documents. This document is clearly an in-house query from the security division chief who was worried about what the other divisions of the CIA might be doing. Non-Agency groups meant contract agents or front groups. Staff employees are high-ranking CIA personnel who take their orders, usually, direct from Langley. The CIA operates on a "need to know" basis, with no individual knowing anything more than the minimum he or she needs to know to perform his or her job. Various agencies within the CIA, often the Office of the Deputy Director of Plans, then Richard Helms, were taking matters into their own hands with direction from above. Since the Chief of Security was so concerned, there must have been good reason. And what about Leary's own statement's that he wittingly followed the directions of the CIA in the 1960's? When former CIA Director, Admiral Stansfield Turner was asked whether or not the CIA supported Timothy Leary or gave Leary LSD, he replied only, "The CIA gave it to those who were doing the research."

Was Leary's involvement with promoting private enterprise in outer space, and especially his involvement with the L-5 Society also CIA inspired? A phone call to an old friend who'd once been a director of the L-5 Society revealed that it been about to fold for lack of subscriptions in 1080, when a retired military officer with known intelligence connections sent an unsolicited donation of $10,000 to save it from failure. He said he's wondered himself about the L-5 Society's Director, Carolyn Hanson who'd been with Leary when he visited me. I asked Ms. Hanson to tell me what her political ideas were and she evaded my question. I asked her another question and she was very cryptic. Leary had introduced her as "the smartest woman in the world," and she blushed and demurred, "Well, one of the smartest."

A few years later, in the mid 80's, Leary was writing books dictated by voices he heard, he said, coming from outer space.

Now knowing what we know about mind control, one has to ask if Timothy Leary was himself a victim of the same cryptocracy he once owed his allegiance to, like so many other government employees.

While LSD was banned by the federal government on October 6, 1966, it has made its comeback among the young as the recreational drug of choice. As if to prove its own failure in the "War on Drugs" a 1993 survey made by the federal government showed a substantial upswing in the use of acid by the nation's eighth-graders. The report recorded the highest level of LSD use by high school seniors since 1985 and it said the teen-agers perferred LSD to cocaine.

In 1966, most of the significant legal research projects into psychedelic drugs were officially closed. Only a small band of researchers continued to inch forward in their research, hoping to regain the government's blessing -- and grants -- to use it on human subjects. In 1991 they won approval from the Food and Drug Administration for the study of LSD's effect on 60 drug addicts.

According to the San Jose Mercury News, Richard Yensen, one of the researchers who was about to conduct an officially sanctioned study, said he believes that using humans to assesss LSD is essential because, "it is very hard to ask a rat what is happening in its consciousness."

Det Timothy Leary ställde till med var bara en av orsakerna till den desinformation som spreds. Albert Hoffmann uppfann LSD. Har inget med Illuminati att göra, bara gammal CIA desinformation a la 60 talet.

Det är nämligen så att LSD molekylen nästan till 99.999999 % är identisk med molekylen för Psilocin/Psilocybin. Det skulle då ur ditt synsätt (Bennybear) att se det då vara "Illuminati" som uppfunnit de psilocybin/Psilocin innehållande svamparna?

Det går ju inte att som du och andra gör, rent reflexmässigt genast skylla på att Illuminati ligger bakom, för att ha något att säga, i brist på annat.

Råder dig att ta del av fakta från annat håll än endast den desinfo du visar här. Läs lite av Stanislav Grof, Terence McKenna, osv, osv, osv.

Psilocyber!

Nej du har inte hur mycket forskning som helst att komma med. Stanislav Grof är hitills den enda och jag skulle inte för en sekund klassa honom som en objektiv forskare eftersom han själv nyttjar drogen!

Här är dock ett uttalande från herr Hoffman som kanske kan få dig att förstå varför jag ogillar att den alltid lika "starke" Psilocyber sätter sig själv i världens centrum och i total brist på empati för andra levande varelser tror att alla andra är lika "starka"!

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Så ge för fan upp ditt korståg för att alla skall må bra i ditt begränsade paradis!

Det är som jag försökt säga hela tiden inte en generellt bra drog eftersom få människor känner sig själva på djupet och du lär fan inte finnas på plats för de som fastnar i psykoser för resten av livet.

Istället sitter du som en påtänd papegoja vaccinerad med ett grammofonstift och hackar samma patetiska drogpropaganda om och om igen.

Om du lyssnar noga på den här upptagningen från Berkley radio så kommer du att höra en del märkliga saker sägas av bl.a. Stanislav Grof, Alexander (Sasha) Shulgin, Timothy Leary, Terence McKenna, Albert Hoffman, Rick Strassman, Fritjof Capra, Andrew Weil, D.M. Turner!

Bl.a. detta:

- I'll dose anyone the CIA wants me to dose!

- Don't push you limits until you know what your limits are!

http://www.nvo.com/cd/nss-folder/tripreceptaclemp3s/SH2PT5.MP3

Här är lite mer från din inte fullt så objektive professor Stanislav Grof med mer av sin trovärdiga forskning!

- Why is evil in the world?

http://www.nvo.com/cd/nss-folder/tripreceptaclemp3s/SH1PT3.MP3

Övertygande?

Jag säger som jag brukar i detta med "LSD och Svamp" Jag har testat både grejerna och ena gången jag tog svamp spydde jag som en gris efter ca en timme då det kändes som det pågick ett bakvärk i min mage....
Det var även så första gången ja tog svamp men då spydde jag inte men kroppen behandlar det iaf som ett gift...

Bäste bumlebee!

Jag förstår dig till fullo, men håller inte med i mycket, Grof är inte den enda som undersökt detta preparat. DU måste ju ha huvudet under armen om du tror att endast Grof är den enda som forskat i saken.

Du pratar också om att vara stark osv. Hur tror du att folk skall vakna och kunna konfrontera NWO, Illuminati, och framtidens polistat som håller på att ettableras för fullt, om de inte ens kan konfrontera sig själva, t ex genom att ta en tripp? Det som gör det besvärligt för många att ta en trip är att de inte kan konfrontera det de ser och förstår med hjälp av trippen. Har man många lik i garederoben så kommer ju givetvis dessa fram.

Som jag redan skrivit, man måste vara någorlunda psykiskt/andligt stark för att kunna använda LSD och andra hallucinogener. Det är ofta skrämmande för många

Så, till sist bumblebee, nu orkar jag inte tjafsa mer med dig om detta, och denna tråd är inte rätt ställe att diskutera detta på.

Så, stick och häng dig tills vidare...

Nu svarade jag iofs bara på ditt inlägg där du skrev så här:

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... du valde sedan att relatera alla dessa forskningsresultat till en enda person som dessutom pumpat i sig så mycket syra att tillförlitligheten är minimal. Om man skall ställa några krav på etablerad eller alternativ forskning så är väl det minsta man kan begära att den är objektiv och att forskarna låter bli att hälla i sig forskningspreparaten under tiden.

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Det är här jag anser att du gör ett generalfel! Du härleder styrka till något du kan jämföra med ditt eget mått att mäta muskler med.

Kom då ihåg att de flesta människor som kommer till insikt om livets verkliga innehåll i princip aldrig gör det i ett välmående tillstånd. Det är tvärtom så att de flesta människor får den linerska knäppen eller i alla fall börjar ifrågasätta tillvaron i händelse av att:

... man drabbas av allvarlig sjukdom, olycka eller när döden gör sig påmind!

... man drabbas av en allvarlig ekonomisk kris, ofrivillig arbetslöshet eller utanförskap!

... en nära anhörig blir sjuk eller går bort!

... trauman från barndomen inte längre kan gömma sig bakom muskler, fett, missbruk eller panikångestattacker!

Att underskatta det sanningssug som uppstår i dessa lägen och ens påstå att detta inte kan leda till uppvaknanden som slår det mesta är bara dumt!

Jag tror att du fattar poängen men om det står still så vill jag inte att du går och hänger dig... varför ödsla energi på såna negativa tankar? Det finns väl syra(bad)!

Hehehe...jodu, ett helt badkar med syra vore ju inte helt fel.