Jag menar absolut inte att jag tror på allt som mainstream media säger, jag menar bara att även en blind höna hittar ibland ett frö.

sebben, twoofer:

Säg till när ni är redo att diskutera 11 september ordentligt istället för att göra narr av de anhöriga som kämpade mot alla odds för en utredning. Legitima frågor har ställts vad gäller hela situationen såväl före, under som efter händelserna.

Det är ju klart. Ni kanske klarar er bättre genom att leta fram debunkerinfo som ni sedan lägger i munnen på oss andra oavsett våra personliga tvivel. Drar ni alla över en kam så har ni totalt missuppfattat hur pass utbrett och varierat sökandet efter sanning verkligen är.

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Dessa "truthaktivister" ni talar om kan jag inte tala för. Jag talar endast för min egen del när jag säger att det än så länge gått bra att demonstrera bristerna i den officiella förklaringen.

Här får twoofer en testfråga innan jag tar någon av er på allvar:

Tror du att angreppen den 11 september 2001 var resultatet av en konspiration ?

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Ja, dock tror jag att det rörde det sig om en sammansvärjning från Al-Qaidas sida, inte USA.

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A qaida skapades av britterna och USA, det var det interna namnet pa den databas som inneholl Mujahedin krigarna i Afgistan,
Tailbanerna i omradet, och de som bor dar, sager oppet att att alqaida ar cia.

Kan du bevisa att de ens finns som fristaende organiusation, utan stod av CIA ell MI6?

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Nu är det ju så att det är du som säger att Al-Qaida skapades av CIA, inte jag, därför är det du som får visa mig bevis på detta. Du påstår en sak, du bör backa upp det med fakta.

Jag är inte tillräckligt påläst för att kunna säga vilka talibanorganisationer som blivit sponsrade av CIA, men att Al-Qaida skapats av CIA tror jag inte ett smack på. Men varsegod, försök övertala mig :)

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kan du visa detta? att det ar genuint?? Jag aterkommer med info om att det inte ar genuint, hur kan du bara svalja allt du laser i tidningen utan att veta ett smack om det ar sant eller inte, bin laden lever inte, men det tror val du? Han kommer leva tills han ar 120 ar, eller sa lange som han behovs i media, Benazir Bhutto, hade pratat med hans mordare, darfor mordades hon, sags det.

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Det är inga problem. Det viktiga är att vi kunnat fastställa att konspirationer - eller sammansvärjningar inte är någon myt.

En fråga till bara som jag skulle haft med innan.

Anser du att kommissionsrapporten ger en övertygande och klar bild om vem som låg bakom dåden och hur de lyckades genomföra det ?

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ok har kommer lite, du kan val leta sjalv, det ar inge sok service att vara har, man kan inte backa upp allt man sager, da blir man en papegoja, tar for mycket tid, vill du ha info far du grava sjalv, annars kan du aldrig komma nan vart ju, man kan inte heller lita pa mig, varfor skulle man kunna det, jag kan ju vara en disinfoagent, det kan vem som helst vara som man pratar med, och som man ber visa.

Unraveling The Myth Of Al Qaida
http://eldib.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/2206/
By Peter Chamberlin
MortysCabin.com
1-12-8

The myth of “al Qaida” is built on an expansive foundation of many half-truths and hidden facts. It is a CIA creation. It was shaped by the agency to serve as a substitute “enemy” for America, replacing the Soviets whom the Islamist forces had driven from Afghanistan. Unknown American officials, at an indeterminate point in time, made the decision to fabricate the tale of a mythical worldwide network of Islamic terrorists from the exploits of the Afghan Mujahedeen. The CIA already had their own network of Islamic militant “freedom fighters,” all that was needed were a few scattered terrorist attacks against US targets and a credible heroic figurehead, to serve as the “great leader.”

The really tricky part of creating a mythical terrorist monster out of an incomplete truth is laying-out the facts behind your mythical story without revealing the whole truth about your part in its creation. In order to explain away the billions of dollars worth of weapons and training that went into the operation, they chose a rich jihadi, a Saudi millionaire named Osama bin Laden, who had been a faithful recruiter and business agent of the Mujahedeen. He was painted as the sole financier of the entire enormous operation that was centered in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Bin Laden may not even have known that he was playing a part in a deceitful CIA global drama until after the fact. It is more likely that his history was chosen many years later to serve as the legacy of “al Qaida,” than it is that he was a brainwashed tool of the spy agency all along.

The story of bin Laden is the story of the secret CIA/ISI insurgent camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan. According to Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, Osama was 22 years old in 1979, when he was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp near Peshawar, Pakistan.

“Bin Laden family was put in charge of raising money for the Islamic brigades. Numerous charities and foundations were created. The operation was coordinated by Saudi intelligence, headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal, in close liaison with the CIA. The money derived from the various charities was used to finance the recruitment of Mujahedeen volunteers. Al Qaeda, the base in Arabic was a data bank of volunteers who had enlisted to fight in the Afghan jihad. That data base was initially held by Osama bin Laden.”

Researcher Kurt Nimmo writes:

“The database of Islamic fighters that was collected by the program was labeled n Arabic, ‘Q eidat ilmu’ti’aat’, which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word ‘Al Qaida” which is the Arabic word for ‘base.’” http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=3569

In 1989, the US, under George Bush Sr. moved to abandon Afghanistan, making preparations to attack Saddam Hussein long before he had ever moved against Kuwait in 1991. As far as Bush knew, the spy agency had obeyed his orders to abandon the Afghan tribal bloodbath and civil war, but the CIA knew better than the Commander-In-Chief. This fit in well with a deceitful Secretary of Defense, who had also believed that he knew better than his boss, (as evidenced by Cheney ordering his underling Paul Wolfowitz to draw-up an alternative foreign policy, known as the “Defense Planning Guidance”). The covert foreign policy of Reagan and Carter had became even more secret, as control of the camp network was submerged even deeper into the bowels of the secret world of the CIA.

The CIA did not pull out of the jihadi program after the Soviet withdrawal, leaving it solely in the ISI’s hands. There is a massive trail of evidence which proves that all the Islamist extremists who were trained under this program, to undermine Kashmir, Bosnia, Chechnya, Kosovo, Egypt, the US and England, were not all Pakistan’s doing. This has always been a CIA program. The attempt to pretend that we were washing our hands of it, was to give “plausible deniability” to the President of the United States, that he had ordered an end to the effort. CIA appeared to comply, as they covertly ignored the position of their old boss and set their own foreign policy. The ensuing Kashmiri conflict, started in 1989 by American and Pakistani trained forces, was an act of war against India. Which part of the Executive Branch was responsible for the new plan? Who this a presidential decision, or was it a rogue agency that decided on its own to turn the Islamists against us, manipulating the Islamists into openly kill 3000 Americans on 9/11? Whose plan were the Islamists and the covert planters of explosives executing on that new day of infamy?

Pakistanis seethed with anger at the US for abandoning them in the mess we had made; they were only doing what America had demanded of them.

“Many in the ISI loathe the United States. They view America as an unreliable and duplicitous ally, being especially resentful of the 1990 sanctions, which came one year after the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Furthermore, the ISI is dominated by Pashtuns, the same tribe that is the Taliban’s base of support across the border in Afghanistan. Partly because of its family, clan, and business ties to the Taliban, the ISI, even more than Pakistani society in general, has become increasingly enamored of radical Islam in recent years.” [Slate, 10/9/2001]…

On October 12, 1999 the ISI installed the government of Pervez Musharref, in a coup d’etat, removing Nawaz Sharif out of fear that he might give-in to American pressure and stop supporting the Taliban. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/co ... ?item=a101299pakistancoup

After the withdrawal of the Soviets in 1989, the camps kept churning out highly-skilled terrorists, to foment other armed insurgencies in places like Kashmir (lasting until the war with India in 1999). The CIA/ISI camps were terrorist factories, as they kept turning out successive armies of paramilitary units and skilled terrorists. They trained many of the Bosnian fighters in 1992 and 1995, Chechens in 1994 and 1996, Taliban in 1995 and 1996, and the Kosovo Liberation Army in 1998-99. Former honor students of the camps went on to attempt to kill Benazir Bhutto in 1993 (Yousef and KSM), bomb the World Trade Center the first time (Yousef). Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was an agent of chaos, who immediately set about destabilizing the victorious Mujahedeen in Afghanistan by firing rockets at Kabul, igniting the Afghan civil war. Mullah Omar received satellite intel from the CIA, revealing to him the location of a hidden convey of Soviet trucks loaded with weaponry, giving him the upper hand in the civil war.

According to India’s Embassy, Pakistan’s terrorism network consisted of :

“38 terrorist training centres from where recruits were regularly sent on “jehad” missions to Kashmir and other parts of the world…Facts and figures about Pakistan’s role in fostering terrorism in India compiled by Indian security forces are as follows: Number of terrorist camps in Pakistan 37; number of terrorist camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir 49; number of Pakistan-run terrorist camps in Afghanistan: 22; total number of hardcore terrorists operating in Jammu and Kashmir: 2300; total number of foreign mercenaries operating in Jammu and Kashmir: 900; number of Pakistan terrorists killed by Indian security forces: 291; number of Indian civilians killed by Pakistan terrorists: over 29,000…Harkat-ul-Ansar, Al-Badr, Lashkar-e-Toiba and Tehreek-ul-Mujahideen, all associated with terrorist financier Osama bin Laden.”

In the early years, the camps produced two terrorist superstars, Ramsey Yousef and Ali Mohamed. While Yousef did spread his talents and skills liberally throughout the Muslim world, it was Ali who made the terrorists more skilled and successfully instigated many large terrorist attacks. As an officer in the Egyptian military, he had served in the same unit as the assassins who killed Anwar Sadat. He later moved about freely in the world of Islamist radicals at the al-Farouq mosque and al Qaida recruitment center in Brooklyn, which had produced El-Sayeed Nosair, the killer of Rabbi Meir Kahane, brought the “blind sheikh” together with bin Laden and his Islamic “charities,” as well as Osama’s spiritual mentor, Sheikh Abdullah Azzam.

As an American Special Forces trainer, Ali acquired specialized skills and combat training programs, which he taught in the camps. Under the name “Abu Mohamed al-Amriki,” he offered Zawahiri a CIA bribe of $50 million to attempt to overthrow the Egyptian government in 1998. He did the groundwork for the plot to blow-up two American embassies in Africa and at least one attempt to assassinate Qaddafi. Ali Mohamed is the linchpin in the plot to fabricate the al Qaida super-enemy. It will be the task of future historians to determine whether he was manipulating al Qaida for the CIA or playing the CIA for al Qaida ­ perhaps both answers are correct.

The CIA/ISI camps, organized by Ali, the trainer, were a source of instruction for nearly every terrorist attack upon the West. Graduate Ramsey Yousef and “the blind Sheikh” were instrumental to the first World Trade Center bombing, while Yousef’s uncle Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the brains behind the successful second bombing. Their associate, CIA pawn Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, was instrumental in turning the successful Afghan revolution into a civil war and keeping it going. He was also a key player in the Taliban resurgence against the US. The Philippine Abu Sayyaf terrorist organization trained 300 men at these camps. The London 7/7 terrorists and the “shoe bomber” all visited these camps before their attacks. Oklahoma City bombing suspect Terry Nichols allegedly came into contact with some of this group (possibly in the same area as Ramsey Yousef, at a time when both were there) on his visits to the Philippines before the OKC attack. It is rumored on the Internet that Saudi intelligence told the FBI that Saddam Hussein had commissioned Pakistanis to bring down the Murrah Building. The infamous dark-skinned “John Doe No. 2″ might have been a Pakistani. He was described as a Middle Eastern type.

After Clinton took over from Bush, he rediscovered the Islamist Network. Parts of the hidden program begin to resurface. According to author Yossef Bodansky (director Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare), in 1993,

“Clinton began a covert operation with Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan, to send money and arms to Bosnia-Herzegovina…complicity in the delivery of weapons from Iran to the Muslim government in Sarajevo…involvement with the Islamic network’s arms pipeline elements of Al Qaida in Albania.”

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/bodansky2.html

“Some of these actions were under direct command of Al Qaida “number two” Ayman al-Zawahiri, who oversaw the program to smuggle weapons and mujahedeen though Croatia into Bosnia. This secret program was later duplicated with the Kosovo Liberation Army, and again in nearby Macedonia, as well as in Chechnya.”

Clinton also is alleged to have used these Al Qaida offshoots against Egypt, after President Mubarak opposed Clinton’s use of force against Iraq in February 1998. Some of these Islamists, again led by Zawahiri, had tried to assassinate Mubarak in 1995.

The Islamist foreign policy of the United States did not end with Bill Clinton, or even with the 9/11 attacks. Bush is playing the same card throughout the Muslim world, as we see him apply the “El Salvador option” (adapted from the Islamist program) to every situation claimed to be caused by “elements associated with al Qaida.” We are hiring and training gangs of Sunni mercenaries to start wars throughout the Muslim world. Either we hire them openly, like the “Awakening” group in Iraq, semi-secretly, like the PAJEK Kurds hired to hit Iran and the Fatah al-Islam in Lebanon, or back them super-secretively, like elements of the Pakistani Taliban, whom we mislabel as “al Qaida.” (LINK)

Our own spy agency is behind the killing of thousands of American soldiers and civilians all over the world. They are also responsible for continued Afghan opium production, as it has always served as the primary funding source for CIA paramilitary operations there. The poppies funded the original Pakistani camps and their current resurgence. Much of the poppy fields and most of the camps lie within a sixty-mile radius of Peshawar. This is the zone of instability that overlaps the northernmost regions of Pakistan bordering Kashmir, the epicenter of the massive October 2005 earthquake that further devastated the people.

Within this sixty-mile radius lies the infamous Tora Bora “fortress,” bin Laden’s redoubt, where his forces made their last stand in Afghanistan. It was built on the Kabul River, near the Swat Valley, the site of the original camps and the current Pakistani/Taliban battles, set-off by Musharref’s meeting of US demands. Tora Bora is part of the Darunta Camp complex [34°28'00"N 70°22'00"E], the former location of Al-Badr I military base near Jalalabad. According to Internet sources, bin Laden allegedly took possession of this facility directly from the CIA, upon his return from Sudan in 1996. At the time of the US invasion of Afghanistan, American media sources were hyping Tora Bora as a super fortress, equipped as an underground city, even having its own hydroelectric plant. This underground facility would have had to have cost at least a billion dollars to construct. They released this artist’s rendition to the public as US bombers were dropping everything they had on it. disputed the fortress story

The satellite photos below are supposed to be from the Darunta site, matching closely the level of complexity attributed to the facility during the battle, which the media quickly denied as hype, after our troops failing to get bin Laden there, preferring to show instead, a bunch of primitive caves.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/militar ... _tunnel_overview_an_s.jpg

The following map pinpoints the large helipad used to supply Darunta–

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en ... pe=&q=Darunta+afghanistan
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The ongoing offensive in the Swat zone of instability began when Pakistan agreed to US demands to assault the “Red Mosque” Islamic compound in Islamabad. The storming of the compound ignited an uprising in the Northwest Provinces by followers of Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz. The Islamists had become more and more successful at their attempts to spark the building democratic-revolution, emboldening Pakistani lawyers to mount large protests, threatening to sweep Musharref and his US allies away. Musharref has escalated the confrontation with the Islamists by supporting the ISI attempt to blame one of them, Baitullah Mehsud, for the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.

One-hundred seventy-five miles south of the Swat Valley war zone, around the town of Wana, Mehsud has stood with al Qaida and the foreign Taliban against local Islamists, headed by Maulvi Nazir, who has been waging war to evict al Qaida foreigners (mostly Uzbeks) and Afghan Taliban from his territory. The al Qaida flocked to the area in 2001 after being driven from the Kandahar area in Afghanistan, which adjoins northwest Baluchistan. Nazir has followed the same pattern that we have seen the people adopt in Iraq, where Sunnis turn against al Qaida because of their brutal attacks to force harsh Sharia law upon them. After Nazir could stand no more, he gathered together 900 of his friends from the “local Taliban,” to drive the mostly Uzbeki al Qaida from South Waziristan. The government provided aid to Nazir’s fight, but when government forces tried to actively fight alongside the defending Waziri, it felt the combined retaliation of both sides.

Recently, nine of Nazir’s representatives to upcoming peace talks with the government were killed in rocket attacks, blamed on Uzbekis who were connected to Mehsud. The attack was probably another part of the ISI disinformation campaign to turn local Islamists against Mehsud’s Taliban, designed to trigger more of the anti-Uzbeki attacks. After the attack, Nazir issued a deadline for all of the Mehsud to leave the area. The Waziri are expected to attempt to drive the Mehsud tribesmen northward of Wana, into the Kurram Agency, which has a large Shiite population. This area will have to become the focus of CIA/ISI secret plans to foment religious war against the Shia, supporters of Iran, by driving the Sunnis and Shiites together. Kurram adjoins the area of Tora Bora, on the edge of the large circular zone of instability. Baitullah Mehsud has also been linked to attacks upon Shiites in the Kohat area. Other reports from the area claim that Mehsud is marked for assassination by a government death squad. http://www.topnews.in/pak-agencies-de ... l-baitullah-mehsud-210441

Wana sits squarely on the trail used by Islamic fighters traveling from the Swat region to the heated battlefield in Southeastern Afghanistan, on the northern edge of the Baluch region. This is the border area between the multinational Pashtun and Baluch tribes. The Taliban are primarily a Pashtun movement. It appears that the goal of the US is to use these inter-tribal hostilities to erase the borders of the two countries. In 2005, al-Qaeda and the Taliban took over this area, “transforming Baluchistan from a logistics center to an operational base.” http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/ne ... cle.php?articleid=2369909

The sparsely populated Baluch area is also home to Pakistan’s huge reserves of natural gas, the chosen route for the India-Iran gas lines, and several nuclear research and delivery sites. http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/facility/pakistan-fac3.gif Recent attacks by Jundallah terrorists into Iran came from this region.

The recent attempt to blame Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud for the assassination of Benazir Bhutto is a textbook example of the Pakistani ISI duplicity in the region. Even while government spokesmen finger Mehsud for the hit, other ISI operatives and journalists (Pakistani neocons) are spreading rumors, alleging his involvement with the anti-America/Musharref resistance.

“To neutralise that strategic blunder, the ISI operatives are trying to present Pakistan and Pakistan army as a target of the US aggression. Of course they are the primary targets of the US. But Musharraf definitely is not. To indirectly generate sympathies for Musharraf, the ISI analysis try to explain how Pakistan military is being strategically sabotaged, forgetting the fact that this has nothing to do with the US plans against Musharraf because Musharraf is the key facilitators of all anti-Pakistan plans by the neocons and warlords in Washington. The ISI attempt to parade Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Baitullah Mehsud, and the Maulana of Swat as ISI agents just doesn’t hold water…If Al-Qaeda is in fact fighting for the US against Pakistan, what is all this fuss about the ‘war on terrorism’ on the part of Mush and his cronies in Islamabad?” http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/48555

The author of that commentary may have been more of a prophet than he realized, when he asked if al Qaida was fighting for the United States. Hasn’t it been said, that the best place to hide something is to put it in plain sight? Rumors created by ISI liars may be more factual than that which they proffer as truth. By starting a whispering campaign to tell the truth about their intentions they know that it won’t be believed, because of its source. Known liars like Bush and Musharref, speaking honestly about their intentions, cover the truth with their dishonest reputations.

In the northern quadrant of this zone is the critical Swat Valley region, the focal point of the ongoing military offensive. In this jihadi stronghold, we find al Qaida Uzbeks again fomenting rebellion. “Radio Mullah,” otherwise known as Maulana Fazlullah of Swat, works diligently to broadcast his fundamentalist Wahabbi/Taliban values, backed up by 500 well-armed followers, including Uzbek fighters. He is the son-in-law of Maulana Sufi Mohammad, founder of the Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM - Movement for the Enforcement of Islamic Laws). Here hardcore Taliban, al Qaida, TNSM and other organizations await the promised arrival of the American Special Forces, planning to repel them just as they have successfully done with the Pakistani Army. Also within this same circle lies a large percentage of Pakistan’s nuclear development and delivery systems.

The escalating drama that is planned for this region, dreamed-up by the sick mind of Dick Cheney and his pals from the dark side over at CIA, is now set to play out in the planned Frontier Corps. The insane notion of training still more paramilitary units to fight the old ones is a continuation of the same tragedy that has played-out in this cursed region for thirty years or more. The plan is to use Special Forces to train new Islamists and to stage attacks that will hopefully ignite an intra-Taliban war, or, even better, an Iraqi-type religious civil war. Either scenario will open a path to American bombers heading through the back door into Iran.

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Du har ingen aning om vad min inställning till media är, så sluta konstatera saker du inte har en gnutta aning om.

Du gör även en typisk sak nu för "truthers", du tar EN person, endast en person, på dennes ord. Jag vet vem Benazir Bhutto var och jag vet att hon sa att Bin Laden var död, men du kan inte bygga din sanning på detta bara för att det passar in i din verklighetsbild. Lite mer källkritisk får du nog vara.

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Ja det tycker jag

(Svar till John C, blir för lång om man ska citera hela det inlägget)

Har läst det du länkade till, intressant läsning, men reagerar du inte på hur lite källor han anger? Han påstår att CIA dödat tusentals amerikanska soldater utan att ens ge en källa till det påståendet. Ifall det skulle vara sant så skulle det vara lägligt med en källa. Tar du verkligen den här artikeln som särskilt trovärdig?

Sen är mycket av det han skriver debunkat av olika debunkingsidor. Tvingar dig inte att läsa dessa, men ifall du vill bilda dig en uppfattning från båda hållen så råder jag dig att göra det. På dessa sidor finns källor angivna till varenda påstående, samt att de inkluderar citat som konspirationsteoretiker använder sig av. Några av dessa sidor är:

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_links_to_the_cia.html

http://www.911myths.com/html/do_al_qaeda_exist.html
(Denna sidan talar dock mer om faktumet att Al-Qaeda faktiskt existerar)

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Ja tro vad du vill, jag har aldrig sett ett bevis for att de existerar, du kan ju visa det om du kan, men tro vad du vill, ibland har man inga bevis, och om du saknar bevis, skriv och be om dem, men tro inte att nan bryr sig.

Man maste ha skallen pa skaft, mycket kan man fatta UTAN information, detta kallas INTELLIGENS.

Trot om du vill.

Så du länkar till en sida som jag läser och ifrågasätter, och p.g.a. detta så menar du på att jag har låg intelligens samt att du bestämmer dig för att inte läsa de sidor jag länkade till. Trevligt att föra en diskussion med dig!

Ja det verkar som Alex blir censurerad http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list ... ngwFQ02ybFMpSoIEr3DfGAD31

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Antagligast missuppfattar du vad jag skriver, ja sa att for viss kunskap behovs ingen erxtern information eller lankar, jag laser vad, och om jag vill, om jag inte gor som du SAGER bevisar inget, mer an att du ar respektlos, som inte ger andra FRI VILJA!

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Och vem bryr sig, jag kan lagga en krokodiltar, for Disinfo Alex, som efter sin fejkade arrest, har skaffat ny strategi for att fa legitimitet.

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Detta är trots allt ett diskussionsforum(eller har jag fel?). I ett diskussionsforum ska man diskutera saker, presentera teorier, byta information och argumentera för sin sak. Ifall du inte vill ta del av det jag bifogar blir det ju ingen diskussion då du bevisligen inte är intresserad av de som säger emot din teori.

Och om du, som i detta fallet, påstår att Al-Qaida skapades av CIA och jag länkar till sidar att så inte är fallet, då borde du som sanningssökare iaf ta del av innehåller jag visar och SEDAN kommentera det.

Det är du som är respektlös. Jag läste det du länkade till och svarade på det. Du sket i det jag bidrog i och började snacka om intelligens.

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Det ar precis i detta lage du skall be om ursakt din forbannade lognare, jag har aldig sagt att du har lag intelligens, i sana fall, ta fram det, eller be om ursakt!

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www.isreview.org/issues/20/CIA_binladen_afghan.shtml



Bin Laden and the Arab-Afghans

As well as training and recruiting Afghan nationals to fight the Soviets, the CIA permitted its ISI allies to recruit Muslim extremists from around the world. Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid reports:

Between 1982 and 1992, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries in the Middle East, North and East Africa, Central Asia and the Far East would pass their baptism under fire with the Afghan mujahideen. Tens of thousands more foreign Muslim radicals came to study in the hundreds of new madrassas [religious schools] that Zia’s military government began to fund in Pakistan and along the Afghan border. Eventually more than 100,000 Muslim radicals were to have direct contact with Pakistan and Afghanistan and be influenced by the jihad [against the USSR].

In camps near Peshawar and in Afghanistan, these radicals met each other for the first time and studied trained and fought together. It was the first opportunity for most of them to learn about Islamic movements in other countries, and they forged tactical and ideological links that would serve them well in the future. The camps became virtual universities for future Islamic radicalism.33

One of the first non-Afghan volunteers to join the ranks of the mujahideen was Osama bin Laden, a civil engineer and businessman from a wealthy construction family in Saudi Arabia, with close ties to members of the Saudi royal family. Bin Laden recruited 4,000 volunteers from his own country and developed close relations with the most radical mujahideen leaders. He also worked closely with the CIA, raising money from private Saudi citizens. By 1984, he was running the Maktab al-Khidamar, an organization set up by the ISI to funnel "money, arms, and fighters from the outside world in the Afghan war."

Since September 11, CIA officials have been claiming they had no direct link to bin Laden. These denials lack credibility. Earlier this year, the trial of defendants accused of the 1998 U.S. embassy bombing in Kenya disclosed that the CIA shipped high-powered sniper rifles directly to bin Laden’s operation in 1989. Even the Tennessee-based manufacturer of the rifles confirmed this.34 According to the Boston Globe,

Some military analysts and specialists on the weapons trade say the CIA has spent years covering its tracks on its early ties to the Afghan forces…. Despite the CIA’s denials, these experts say it was inevitable that the military training in guerrilla tactics and the vast reservoir of money and arms that the CIA provided in Afghanistan would have ended up helping bin Laden and his forces during the 1980s.35

"In 1988, with U.S. knowledge, bin Laden created Al-Qaeda (The Base): a conglomerate of quasi independent Islamic terrorist cells spread across at least 26 countries," writes Indian journalist Rahul Bhedi. "Washington turned a blind eye to Al-Qaeda, confident that it would not directly impinge on the U.S."36 After the Soviet withdrawal, however, bin Laden and thousands of other volunteers returned to their own countries:

Their heightened political consciousness made them realize that countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt were just as much client regimes of the United States as the Najibullah regime [in Afghanistan] has been of Moscow.

In their home countries they built a formidable constituency–popularly known as "Afghanis"–who combined strong ideological convictions with the guerrilla skills they had acquired in Pakistan and Afghanistan under CIA supervision.37

Over the past 10 years, the "Afghani" network has been linked to terrorist attacks not only on U.S. targets, but also in the Philippines, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, France, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, China, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, and elsewhere.38 "This is an insane instance of the chickens coming home to roost," one U.S. diplomat in Pakistan told the Los Angeles Times. "You can’t plug billions of dollars into an anti-Communist jihad, accept participation from all over the world and ignore the consequences. But we did."

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Visst, jag kanske överdrev lite, men följande är inte långt ifrån:

"Man maste ha skallen pa skaft, mycket kan man fatta UTAN information, detta kallas INTELLIGENS.

Trot om du vill."

Vilket fall som helst så försöker du lära mig hur intelligens fungerar, något jag tog som en förolämpning.

Sen är det ju väldigt passande i ett inlägg om att jag ska be om ursäkt att du säger "förbannade lögnare".

Men visst, ifall du inte menade att jag hade låg intelligens så ber jag självklart om ursäkt för mitt påstående.

(Svar på gastons inlägg)

Tack så mycket. Ska läsa igenom och jämnföra med annat material.

Tänkte bara påpeka att faktumet att det var CIA som skapade Al-qaida är ju inget som förnekas av någon. Detta har ju även den etablerade median hållit med om. Det var usa som skapade de allra flesta extremist grupper i mellan-östern som ett steg i det kalla kriget när ryssland försökte få tag på oljan där.

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Jo det förnekas av massviss med människor, inklusive mig.

Och ingen kommer att bete sig så här heller emot dig.....

Chemtrail Awakening - Shades of Truth - A Metaphor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDvh9hUH58